What, how are they not exclusives? I am not going to spend 60 dollars on content I will only watch once, so the idea it’s not exclusive because I can buy it is a nonstarter.
The EA part doesn’t matter. In the part I quoted Kevin even said forget EA.
Nesrie
5820
You know you can actually purchase something like Star Trek: Discovery from a variety of places, legally right? You don’t actually have to stream CBS to get that show. You can still stream several CBS shows from other places, and again, you don’t have to get those through CBS either. They’ll get a piece sure, but you are not required to subscribe to CBS All Access as the only means to get that content.
There are several first party shows you can get elsewhere and of course there is the antenna for some of these, free.
LockerK
5821
Great! The discussion was about AAA games, not indie games (that - while not relevant - are seeing prices go up anyway).
My point is that we’ve been fed this line about games getting cheaper before because of market disruption <x>. It historically hasn’t happened, and there’s no reason to think it will in this case.
I said it before, I am not going to buy any TV show, so to me it’s all exclusives to me. Unless the whole season is less then 3 dollars.
But other then that, no.
The EA does matter because it is why EA won’t sell it for less. That doesn’t make it universal.
Nesrie
5824
Oh you’re trying to redefine some thing too, not hugely surprised.
Correct. As it happens, Epic’s plan is not to make the whole store a list of exclusives only. So no risk of that. And, as far as I know, what exclusives they snag, are only exclusives for a fixed duration (unless some are meant to remain exclusives? It’s Friday night so my brain is bad at recall).
Like you said, those build traffic and libraries so people consider the store.
Once the exclusivity period is over, what’s left for epic to compete on except price? And I fail to see how more stores competing on price and having staggered sales too is going to be bad for us. If you don’t like Epic, by all means don’t buy from their store. It might mean having to wait for the game to release or go on sale on another store. But that’s about it. They will still be an actor helping to increase competition.
The point about inflation is also a valid one by the way. It might be that the only impact of competition is that prices take longer to rise and regular sales help the long tail of sales. Who knows.
Disney pulled their content from Netflix and are putting it EXCLUSIVELY on their COMPETING streaming service DISNEY+. They hope to earn MORE MONEY by eating into the money people spend on netflix thanks to their EXCLUSIVE CONTENT.
There never used to be any pricing distinction between “AAA” and “Other” games. Other than shovelware, they all sold for the same physical price MSRP. Digital opened up an enormous swath of cheaper pricing options. Seems pretty relevant and directly refutes the claim that digital did not result in any downward pricing.
Nesrie
5827
You can still buy those movies, elsewhere. Still see them in the Theater even for the movies. There other ways to get that content, right now, not from Netflix or Disney… and you have been able to do that for a long time.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but when i thought of a Steam competitor back when it seemed like a good thing and not the mutant that came from that idea… it wasn’t really about competing in price. I can see the developers really care about costs and price and that’s fine it was more like… if you have one huge entity in the market, they tend to get lazy, almost into a not caring mode so you wind up with a company like Wal-Mart which was a disrupter that found itself in a position that allows Amazon to emerge and then start to rattle the cages a bit. Amazon’s success pretty much destroyed anyone unable or unable to compete, and forced the others to up their game. Did it result in lower prices, yeah in some cases, but Amazon wasn’t and isn’t always the cheapest… they have positioned themselves as one of the most convenient though.
EGS might want to try and compete on price. It’s not really my requirement that they do though, that just some silly thing that circular logic and arguments from them and their supporters has led to. I don’t know what evidence shows that the prices are wrong right now, especially when there is some variety in price and certainly with sales already.
In order for EGS to be a good competitor against… anyone on third party, not their content, is they become a choice over another… exclusives are not choice, they are not competition, and once that’s gone then we can really see if they are ATT and Amex having lost their security blanket or if they can actually do it.
And six or 12 months later EGS exclusive games will release elsewhere. Many of these games are also for sale on console. Why do you think that disproves my point?
Nesrie
5829
At this point, i don’t even know what your point is other than to shout at me with random bits of CAPS.
Disney+ is brand-new, not even released yet, it is cheaper than what is out there right now, that’s the competition part not the we are taking our content away part, and it’s literally not exclusive.
Exclusives are not competition, and in case you kind of overlooked the point, you responded to me. Not the other way around. You have yet to disprove my point.
It’s removing it from Netflix. So, it feels pretty much the same as Epic.
Especially since purchasing it is not an option I will ever take, much like you refuse to buy any game from Epic. So, it’s exclusive.
Nesrie
5831
It could wind up similar, but it’s not really my example anyway. The original claim was something about CBS and HULU and Netflix all exclusively competing, except that’s not what they started doing. They didn’t create their own content, they had B&M stores and Redbox alongside them as well as all the premium movie and cable channels. They started competing with convenience mostly as well as price. The fact they’re doing first party exclusives now is a topic we’ve already discussed here, many times.
ATT and Amex are better examples of what exclusives actually do in an existing market. Epic’s claims are closer to those models, where you might think hey this exclusive will buy time, we’ll get some money… really be ready, but when the exclusive end by plan, iPhone, or kind of sudden, Amex, you often wind up with company that became lazy, inefficient and not in a position to compete well at all… mostly because they didn’t have to.
My point was originally, and continues to be that exclusive content is a form of competition. You can lie to yourself and pretend it’s not, but I have given you numerous examples of the way industries and services compete with eachother over and using content exclusivity. This has long been an extremely normal part of commerce. Trying to redefine the concept of competition suddenly is what you and others have done in an attempt to discredit Epic’s strategy.
Nesrie
5833
First… party. Again, this has been discussed.
I didn’t redefine it.
Careful, your shade is showing. My reasoning has nothing to do with EGS specifically, but you’d not only have to read the examples I have provided but respond to them. Since you are incapable of that, I will continue discussions with people who actually want to discuss something which is not you.
The “First Party” claim basically skirts a mountain of counter examples while simultaneously making extremely vague rules about when and where money changing hands is considered “valid”. It’s BS. When Amazon pays Sony for exclusive streaming rights to a show that aired on NBC that’s not “first party”, but it is competing on exclusive streaming content. That’s just a fact, one you choose to not just ignore, but deny.
Grifman
5835
Not to get off topic, but where can I get ST Discovery in the US but from CBS All Access? As far as I know that is the only source in the US. Netflix has it outside of the US but that doesn’t help me here. I’d love to be able to get it somewhere else.
Nesrie
5836
You can purchase the the physical media in a lot of places, Amazon, Walmart and the traditional media sellers. You can also buy it digitally from Amazon Prime Video and VUDU, either by episode or season. I think VUDU lags a bit more than Amazon, and Amazon will let you buy CBS All Access through them, so they’re not really competing if you can sign up for it through them.
Looks like Amazon has it for 35.00 dollars.
24.99 if you are willing to get it on DVD.
