Epic Games Store - 88% split goes to devs

[legowarrior]

Either really. Although it’s best with diet cola (it’s usually sweet enough on it’s own). It’s pretty much the only time I would drink Coke or Pepsi or RC.

I do prefer it chilled though. Very smooth when chilled.

[ShivaX]

Blasphemy! Coke and Pepsi are interchangeable only to heathens and the taste-disabled.

It’s called a “rum & Coke” after all. Not “rum & Pepsi!”

I used to not care much either way, then Pepsi decided their drink should go flat 3 minutes after opening it and I left them forever.
I always slightly preferred Coke, but would buy whatever was on sale. Now I never even look at Pepsi because I don’t want a flat drink since I don’t tend to chug the entire thing the second I open it.

[roguefrog]

I still contend that cheaper prices won’t be realized until more games are sold outside of Steam.

Ok now I just think you are trolling.

[legowarrior]

I’m on @legowarrior’s side here pertaining to prices. It’s the continuation of a debate that Travis and I had several months ago. To be clear, while I’ve bought a few games on EGS, I am not a fan of the storefront or their practices. I’m just willing to sell out to play a few exclusives. :)

There are two scenarios here:

1. The majority of the storefronts continue with a 70/30 split. In this case, I see nothing changing meaningfully in prices.
2. A sizable portion of the storefronts adopt a more developer/publisher-friendly revenue split with the store (this could come in the form of blanket changes or changes that impact a larger segment of the market). In this case, pure economics take over. The cost of delivering a good will go down, so some developers/publishers will try to price their good at a lower price in an attempt to lure consumers (Note: We’ve had the debate over and over whether games are comparable/fungible and while individual specific games aren’t, gamers time/money budgets are). Once some developers/publishers go down this route, there will be an incentive for more of the market to go down this route. To show otherwise, one would have to demonstrate why the market isn’t charging much higher prices than they currently are. In short, the profit boost will be temporary until a new, lower price point is achieved. (Second note: whether it’s a lower price point or whether inflation simply allows the further continuation of the $60 price point is a separate issue).

@roguefrog, I am just going to quote meeper again because it lays out my own thoughts on the matter better then I seem to be able to.

[Giles_Habibula]

I used to not care much either way, then Pepsi decided their drink should go flat 3 minutes after opening it and I left them forever.

Say what?!? When did this happen?
I generally will only drink Coke, but occasionally I get an actual craving for a Pepsi. Last time I had one was maybe a month ago, and I noticed no such thing. I also like Mountain Dew from time to time and haven’t noticed it there either.

Did this happen repeatedly, or was it maybe you just got a bad bottle or can?
edit: Come to think of it, I have noticed a few times when I’ve gotten a 20 ounce Pepsi product in a bottle from a machine, that the cap wasn’t very tight…

[AntediluvianArk]

[jsnell]

Interesting. I’m not expecting this change to have a ton of impact in the short term, since there’s still going to be a big backlog of unreleased games using the old agreement for Epic to poach. But at least it’ll make it harder for Epic to continue doing it for years. At some point they’ll actually need to start doing their own market research.

[lordkosc]

Someone ELI5 plz.

ResetERA is saying its fake.

[Telefrog]

To be clear, the text itself isn’t fake. The idea that it’s a recent change in response to EGS is fake.

[Lunarstorm]

Someone ELI5 plz.

Yep, it would be nice if a legal expert would ELI5 this. I am not at liberty to say and I am not aware of anyone outside of myself or tbaldree that have professional involvement.

[SlyFrog]

Someone ELI5 plz.

ResetERA is saying its fake.

Explain that Steam language?

It essentially mandates that as soon as you release an application commercially anywhere, that you also provide it to Steam to release on Steam at the same time (and the same for any updates you release, etc.).

So essentially, if you agree to the Steam agreement, you are agreeing that if you release/sell the game anywhere, you also have to provide it to Steam.

[lordkosc]

So how the heck did Metro Exodus get away with pulling the game off the store?

[Dan_Theman]

IANAL, but I believe that’s talking about products that are going to be sold on Steam. So if you’re selling on Steam AND some other platform (say as a non-exclusive on Epic), Steam demands they get the release at the same time. In the case of Metro Exodus, they simply pulled it from Steam so it wouldn’t conflict with the clause. I’d expect severing any contract to release on Steam would be handled elsewhere.

[ShivaX]

Did this happen repeatedly, or was it maybe you just got a bad bottle or can?

Repeatedly. At first I thought I had a bad batch or something, but ever since every can of Pepsi I’ve opened goes flat almost instantly. 20 ounce bottles seem to fare a little better since you can reseal them.

[Nesrie]

Pepsi does go flat pretty quickly.

[geewhiz]

Found this:

Amazon.com: Jokari Fizz-Keeper Pump Caps, 3 Pack-Count: Bottle Openers: Kitchen...

[legowarrior]

Why do I need three of them?

[geewhiz]

Mountain Dew, Root Beer, Pepsi

Two Liter Bottles of Seltzer if you like to make Egg Creams ( I may have to try this for seltzer as I usually buy small bottles because the carbonation does decrease a lot in the two liter size).

[Brad_Grenz]

So essentially, if you agree to the Steam agreement, you are agreeing that if you release/sell the game anywhere, you also have to provide it to Steam.

It’s part of the Steamworks agreement. If you aren’t using Steamworks it doesn’t apply to your game.

[Perky_Goth]

Why do I need three of them?

It’s probably not profitable enough to sell just one, due to the costs of marketing, packaging and logistics.
Since this is the cola thread, am I the only one who can only drink it with sweetener?