Failing Trump administration. Sad!


#3571

Well, Deep Fakes can make a believable video of anything, dontchaknow?


#3572

Good editorial, especially the ending.

One of the toughest dressings-down came from a decision blocking Trump’s “sanctuary cities” crackdown written by Judge Ilana Rovner, appointed by President George H.W. Bush to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, based in Chicago. In a decision joined by a Gerald Ford appointee and a Reagan appointee upholding a lower-court ruling by a Reagan appointee, she lit into the Trump administration for assuming powers to withhold money not granted to it by Congress to punish states and cities that didn’t go along with efforts to round up those in the country illegally.

Her message to Trump and then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions, translated, was basically, who do you think you are?

Our role in this case is not to assess the optimal immigration policies for our country. . . . The founders of our country well understood that the concentration of power threatens individual liberty and established a bulwark against such tyranny by creating a separation of powers among the branches of government. If the Executive Branch can determine policy, and then use the power of the purse to mandate compliance with that policy by the state and local governments, all without the authorization or even acquiescense of elected legislators, the check against tyranny is forsaken.

There was one possibly accurate observation in Trump’s comments: He said his losses sometimes seem “automatic.”

Based on the record, that’s not far from the truth.

But Roberts would never say that.


#3573

How long before this happens in the West Wing?


#3574

This guy?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/politics/nick-ayers-pence-chief-of-staff-trump/index.html

If Kelly goes, everything is still totally 100% fine, right? I’m sure that’s what the story will be now, anyway.


#3575

"[…] six months before people were sickened by the contaminated romaine, President Donald Trump’s FDA – responding to pressure from the farm industry and Trump’s order to eliminate regulations – shelved the water-testing rules for at least four years.

Despite this deadly outbreak, the FDA has shown no sign of reconsidering its plan to postpone the rules. The agency also is considering major changes, such as allowing some produce growers to test less frequently or find alternatives to water testing to ensure the safety of their crops."


#3576

But will no one think of how much money Big Ag can save by not testing for this shit?


#3577

The water is a big problem, but as noted elsewhere, we also need to make sure that employers are providing the migrant workers with breaks and facilities, or there will continue to be other more direct sources of contamination.


#3578

Or we could just goddamn safely irradiate the food and be done with this altogether.


#3579

But then you’ll just give everyone cancer!!!


#3580

Want to fix it? Make them legally liable for it. You send contaminated food to market, we fine you a $100k+ per incident or more. Someone dies? $20 million fine that goes to the family. Also it follows student loan rules, so no bankruptcy to avoid it.

You’d magically see these issues disappear overnight.


#3581

That solution doesn’t enrich enough of the Right people. Pass.


#3582

Yeah, it is pretty simple. If there are no regulations, people aren’t going to test for it.

But also, farms that sell contaminated materials tend not to stay open, because companies will begin to drop them from their list of suppliers.

Then the outbreaks just happen in schools and prisons, where the cheapest sourcing happens.


#3583

And fast-food restaurants.


#3584

Nope. We have all kinds of laws and penalties for wrong-doing and people/companies still willfully take the risks for perceived gains.


#3585

But this doesn’t get rid of toxins already produced by the bacteria.


#3586

This I frankly don’t believe. Is there a list somewhere of farms that have closed because food companies stopped sourcing them because they sold some bad lettuce? Because otherwise it sounds like magical market stuff.


#3587

Believe it. A lot of this stuff doesn’t end up making as big of a splash, but these companies close. You sell contaminated goods, you lose wal-mart, you lose trader-joes, you lose a lot.

Believe it, it does happen

Jensen Farms, 2011 Deadly Cantaloupe Listeria outbreak 33 died.

https://www.cdc.gov/listeria/outbreaks/cantaloupes-jensen-farms/index.html

They ain’t farming anymore.

Wholesome Soy
https://www.cdc.gov/listeria/outbreaks/bean-sprouts-11-14/index.html

Closed

CRF Frozen Foods
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2018/03/washington-state-food-plant-linked-to-listeria-to-reopen-under-new-name/

Closed and now re-opening under new management and under a new name.


#3588

And I am not saying that this is a good way of managing this. People getting sick, and then punishing those who sold the unsafe product, but it is the way things have been working.

People just don’t get away with selling contaminated materials.


#3589

Are you suggesting that a company would continue to source food from a farm suspected of selling contaminated material?

It’s not like there is scarcity of farms. If your local grocery sold you salmonella laced tomatoes, would you go back? Maybe? Now, imagine if whoever you served those tomatoes to was likely to sue you. Does that help focus your decision?


#3590

Those assholes got no prison time and are still doing business. They literally killed 33 people because they tried to save a buck. This is what sucks in this country. People caught with marijuana get more serious penalties than this.