Failing Trump administration. Sad!


#3911

What lie are you referring to?

He once lied about being in the top half of his law class at Syracuse in a speech. He was almost immediately called on it, apologized, and corrected the record.

That’s the only Biden lie about his academic credentials I’m aware of. When he made them, he was already serving his third senate term.


#3912

No, that’s not really what happened.

In 1987, Biden was questioned by reporters, at which point he went off on a crazy rant about how his IQ was higher than the reporter’s, and then proceeded to make a bunch of lies, one of which was the lie that you referenced there.

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the bottom, Newsweek magazine reported today.

In a videotape released by the public service cable network C-SPAN, the Delaware Democrat was asked at a campaign stop in Claremont, N.H., about what law school he attended and how well he did.

“I went to (Syracuse) law school on a full academic scholarship,” said Biden, who has been beset by revelations that he plagiarized in law school and used portions of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock without credit.

On the tape, Biden says he “ended up in the top half” of his class.

“I won the international moot-court competition. . . . I was the outstanding student in the political science department (as an undergraduate). . . . I graduated with three degrees from college,” Biden told the questioner.

‘Higher IQ Than You’

A clearly angered Biden added: "I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do.

Last week, however, the presidential candidate said at a news conference that he had finished 76th in a law school class of 85. Records he released indicated he had a partial, need-based scholarship as well as student loans.

The tape was aired April 12 as part of the network’s “Road to the White House” series, C-SPAN spokeswoman Nan Gibson said.

Newsweek magazine said Biden does not mention the moot-court competition on his resume and did not win the political science award at University of Delaware, where he received a single B.A. in political science and history.

Biden told the New York Times that he was “frustrated” and “angry as hell” about the Newsweek report.

“It’s so easy to make things look like there’s something sinister about them,” he said. “I guess every single word I’ve said is going to be dissected now.”

You can actually watch the video here:

Just to be clear here:
Everything Biden says in that clip is a lie. He didn’t graduate with honors. He didn’t have a full academic scholarship. He didn’t win any of the awards he suggested.

He didn’t even graduate with the number of degrees he says there.

And this is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to lies told by Joe Biden over the years.


#3913

I’m not a Biden fan, and I’m not a particular expert on this situation, but there do seem to be important differences between the two situations.

  1. Whitaker lied, in print, on his resume. The resume is a considered and official document, and it’s fairly common to find out someone lied on their resume and then to fire them. The actual lie seems kind of petty and small potatoes (e.g. it’s not like he claimed to have a degree he did not actually have), but it was there. Biden’s lie by contrast was spoken off the cuff and in the heat of emotion when trash talking a reporter. That’s not good, but it’s not quite as bad.

  2. Biden’s lie helped sink his presidential campaign. The dems already had this test, and we passed, and we decided that the liar shouldn’t be our candidate for president. Again, not a Biden fan, and I think it’s unfortunate that he has as much clout as he does. But I’m not sure that the one fabrication (which was my entire lifetime ago) should preclude him from forever holding high office.


#3914

Bingo. You pretty much covered it.

Fine with Biden.

Not fine with Whitaker.


#3915

You either care about honesty, or ya don’t.

If you only care about it when your political opponents lie… Then ya don’t.


#3916

I would raise a third possibility: I can see things in shades of gray and you rarely seem to, and furthermore I frankly do not value your opinion much on this particular subject. So, I guess we’re at an impasse.

Life goes on.


#3917

He wasn’t elected president. People cared. I am not sure why you’re trying to suggest we don’t. When the Democrats lie, they are often held accountable. When the GOP is caught, not a damn thing happens to them. I mean the worst liar on the planet is in the oval office right now under the GOP flag. And everyone around him spends hours a day trying to cover for those lies, including an entire news network. Why the hell are you trying to school the Democrats about liars? I think you need to take your complaint over to the other field.

Lying on Resume is so common it’s ridiculous. It’s not even an uncommon thing, and I still think it’s a terrible thing do to.


#3918

Sure. He was elected vice president, though. And folks are taking about him running for president again.

People did care. But now, apparently some folks are fine with it.

While, simultaneously, pretending to be outraged over another guy making an even less severe lie.


#3919

If it helps, I cared about Joe Biden and plagiarism and dishonesty in 1988.

That was 30 years ago. I believe his conduct in the intervening time makes his 1987-88 campaign for president fairly moot.

If, in 30 years, Whitaker has led a life of public service and worked hard for causes that I believe are important, my opinion of him and the importance of his lying on a resume will have evolved as well.

Because that’s a thing that people do.


#3920

You cannot consider them both in a vacuum.

If you have someone who, throughout their long life in public service, has had little in the way of similar issues, then it is more easily to give them a mulligan on it.

On the other hand, you have someone who is no stranger to controversy in their much shorter history then this is something that gets tossed on the pile of “bad-doings” rather than tossed out.


#3921

There sure is a powerful stench of whataboutism on the air tonight.


#3922

It’s as if you can’t just Google “Kasich Lie” and get a whole bunch of stories that Timex will I’m sure feel aren’t true or are fine with him.

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#3923

I tire of the failing Biden administration. Sad!


#3924

Do you understand that this all started because people were saying that Whitaker must step down, because he lied about a trivial aspect of his college education?

I mean, I’m not a Whittaker supporter. But it strikes me as hypercritical that those people didn’t care about more severe lies about Biden’s education.

You can say that you don’t care about either of those things… that’s a consistent position.

You can say that some lies are more severe than others, and that minor ones wouldn’t matter, but severe ones would… That’s a consistent position too.

But here, we have a lie about a pretty trivial thing (whether he was an all American in college), and that is being regarded as more disqualifying than a much more absurd set of lies (like lying about how many degrees you earned).

Clearly, no one here cares about Biden’s history of dishonesty. And that’s fine.

But then the question becomes why they care about this one tiny lie by Whitaker.

To me, there are numerous reasons to think Whitaker should go. But this isn’t one of them.


#3925

On balance, I agree with this. Love to see him gone, but I don’t think this is the compelling reason.


#3926

Well yes you can. If they are both perfect spheres.


#3927

He’s running


#3928

It’ll be interesting to see how he actually votes, although it’s hard to imagine him being less of a sycophant than hatch was.

That OpEd piece is definitely a direct attack on Trump though. He pulls no punches. Trump is certain to freak out and go to war against Romney in retaliation.


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#3930

He was right to align U.S. corporate taxes with those of global competitors, to strip out excessive regulations, to crack down on China’s unfair trade practices, to reform criminal justice and to appoint conservative judges. These are policies mainstream Republicans have promoted for years. But policies and appointments are only a part of a presidency.

I don’t actually dislike anything he’s really done here at home, and since I have two binders full of women now and don’t really have to be afraid about talking about dismissing a chunk of the people because they’ll never vote for me, I am now ready to stand on lip service principal and focus on things abroad because I’m just fine with everything right here.

He had his chance, and he’s pushing the same crap.