Failing Trump administration. Sad!

triggercut · 2019-09-20T19:42:35.978Z

And it’s the WSJ who breaks it:

Kyle Griffin (kylegriffin1)

Breaking via WSJ: Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden's son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter. wsj.com/articles/trump…

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abidingdude · 2019-09-20T19:44:39.259Z

This is so fucked up. How can there not be repercussions for this? Does DJT want to get impeached?

CLWheeljack · 2019-09-20T19:53:15.163Z

So, apparently DJT’s takeaway from the Russia / collusion investigation is to “always collude with foreign powers.”

So, he’s the foreign collusion version of the “never put salt in your eyes” guy.

MikeOberly · 2019-09-20T19:55:00.153Z

Time for impeachment. It was time 2 years ago, zero excuses now. Stop bending over for this completely corrupt fuck.

Menzo · 2019-09-20T19:55:57.194Z

So what’s the path forward to make people actually care about this? Because Republicans are going to be wall to wall on FOX News delivering the message that this is no big deal and everyone does it.

Telefrog · 2019-09-20T19:57:24.784Z

Menzo:

So what’s the path forward to ale people actually care about this? Because Republicans are going to be wall to wall on FOX News delivering the message that this is no big deal and everyone does it.

Nothing. One side of Congress can impeach, but the other side won’t. That will be that.

KevinC · 2019-09-20T19:59:30.807Z

I don’t care if the Senate won’t convict at this point, he needs to be impeached.

Misguided · 2019-09-20T20:01:14.754Z

“Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.”

If that’s the case, seems likely nothing will come of this. However, this whole thing (meaning the whistleblower complaint) supposedly started because of some form of promise made.

vyshka · 2019-09-20T20:01:45.612Z

At this point they all need to be put against the wall as they said in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

triggercut · 2019-09-20T20:04:22.046Z

Misguided:

“Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.”

If that’s the case, seems likely nothing will come of this. However, this whole thing (meaning the whistleblower complaint) supposedly started because of some form of promise made.

Yeah, no promise made…

…but when the Ukraine balked at this request, Trump ordered US aid to the country slashed.

abidingdude · 2019-09-20T20:05:50.447Z

Isn’t just asking for the help bad enough? I guess it isn’t anymore. We have all been gaslit to hell.

MikeOberly · 2019-09-20T20:06:53.188Z

twitter.com

Susan Simpson (TheViewFromLL2)

Look, the White House is going to try, probably successfully, to shift the debate to whether or not there was a "quid pro quo" arrangement with Zelensky. But let's be clear: that doesn't matter at all, Trump's phone call with Zelensky by itself is an authoritarian abuse of power.

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CraigM · 2019-09-20T20:07:59.838Z

I mean at this point that seems like what needs to happen.

Telefrog · 2019-09-20T20:08:44.821Z

KevinC:

I don’t care if the Senate won’t convict at this point, he needs to be impeached.

I agree. I just don’t think there is a way forward to remove him via impeachment at this point. He’ll run out his term and hopefully lose the next election.

rowe33 · 2019-09-20T20:11:54.581Z

How do I just ban Dan Lyons tweets from appearing here for me? Fuck that guy.

ShivaX · 2019-09-20T20:14:28.443Z

Menzo:

So what’s the path forward to make people actually care about this? Because Republicans are going to be wall to wall on FOX News delivering the message that this is no big deal and everyone does it.

Armed revolution if we’re honest, but no one believes it so we just sit here and hope the elections are fair and people don’t vote away freedom and the rule of law.

MikeOberly · 2019-09-20T20:20:02.076Z

A-fucking-men.

twitter.com

Susan Hennessey (Susan_Hennessey)

.@benjaminwittes wrote this before the WSJ story was published. But this is the only way to understand what is going on and the gravity of the breach at issue. lawfareblog.com/witness-and-wh… https://t.co/Xel1Mx8Vd6

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Timex · 2019-09-20T20:38:47.323Z

twitter.com

Carol Leonnig (CarolLeonnig)

President asked Ukraine president -- eight times -- to work with his personal lawyer to investigate Biden's son twitter.com/vmsalama/statu…

Vivian Salama @vmsalama

President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about 8x to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer https://t.co/Di94fygXNh

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baddog007 · 2019-09-20T20:42:08.108Z

Shame we don’t have an extradition treaty with Ukraine and they saw fit to charge Trump with extortion of a public official.

antlers · 2019-09-20T20:51:51.509Z

triggercut:

Misguided:

“Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.”

If that’s the case, seems likely nothing will come of this. However, this whole thing (meaning the whistleblower complaint) supposedly started because of some form of promise made.

Yeah, no promise made…

I am somewhat suspicious that there was an explicit quid pro quo in the actual whistleblower complaint, but that the Trump side released this information about the conversation to muddy the waters-- so a question that is less damaging to him than the actual complaint gets litigated in the press so that if/when the real truth comes out, it seems like old news.