Bateau
3016
Yeah, each piece of Combat armor gives ~10 to both types of damage and you can wear 5 pieces (all 4 limbs + chest). There are 3 tiers and if you have Armorer perk you can upgrade them further.
Note that this applies to Leather and Metal armor too.
This speaks volumes about key game mechanics being flushed down the toilet due to a shitty UI.
Bingo. I love this game, but this, a thousand times this. I have full Charisma suits. Do I use them? No, because it’s too clunky to change. I have a ton of variability in the pieces of armor I can equip, but do I experiment? No, because it sucks to keep swapping. The game really, really, REALLY needs something like “armor sets” you can swap with a keypress. Maybe modders can do that.
DrDel
3019
Sounds like a UI with a “Loadouts” feature would be cool.
RichVR
3020
I have a pretty good chest piece. But I hate to wear it because it looks like I’ve draped a broken lawn chair over my shoulders. Back to the drifter outfit.
Bateau
3021
LOL! Are you wearing synth armor?
http://i.imgur.com/2gjfD6O.png - on the right.
There seems to be like zero correlation between looks and efficiency. Maybe a more MMO-ish vibe, where the best stuff is usually the best looking, might be better…
I don’t know how people do stealth in this game. It is so poorly implemented.
Enemies spot you through walls for no reason even with max sneak and chameleon armor.
If one enemy spots you, the entire camp magically knows exactly where you are and this will not stop until the indicator changes from danger.
Sneak damage randomly does and does not work. For one i think it is affected by your companion/allied npcs. If you are hidden but they are active, it seems like it makes sneak attacks not work. But even if i dismiss my companion, sneak attack sometimes does not work when it clearly should.
So i’m back to spending a ton of points for the opening shot in a fire fight because once i fire, even with a silencer, the enemy camp will know where i am unless i completely run away. I also cannot use a companion if i want even that.
Then of course once the enemy camp magically know where you are, they will throw a grenade at you from where you are sniping a mile away and it will instantly kill you.
Kojima, i am so sorry for not groveling at your feet and for criticizing the couple occasions when an enemy saw me through the floor.
I can’t explain it, but that was not my experience for stealth at all. It worked well for me, even though I never had chameleon armor.
Granath
3025
Agreed. I played 60 hours as a stealthy character and did not have any of the experiences Murbella is speaking of. In fact I had the opposite problem in that I felt the game was too easy to stealth. I picked off half a dozen enemies and multiple locations by sniping them from afar and moving around to a different location. Eventually the enemies went back to doing what they were doing and then I would pick off another one. Once I had a suppressor on my sniper rifle it became pathetically to stealth, snipe and repeat.
Now if he is trying to stealth and then melee that is going to be difficult. The enemies are quite adept at hearing you when you get moderately close.
My biggest problem was the companion NPCs giving my location away so I played the last half of the game solo.
Moar pics in this thread, how is everyone dressed ? :)
Loving the Silver Shroud outfit.
My experience with sneaking has been that it is immensely OP and ars technica wrote about how it is essentially godmode.
Like Granath, I find that I can pick off entire camps of enemies at range without being spotted most times. Occasionally they will see me but only usually if I’m in close quarters. The ghouls seem to have a better time of it though.
One other broken thing is that I can do all of this ninja-ing in T-X power armor.
I’m also in the stealth OP category. Even indoors in small areas wearing heavy armor, as long as I move slowly I have no issues.
I was testing earlier in a battle between super mutants and brotherhood. Even though i was not myself in combat, enemies were sometimes not being affected by sneak attack damage.
After that i attacked a scrap camp of very strong super mutants. This is where i noticed the most how enemy groups are linked to know where you are when you attack one. My stealth worked a bit better here, but i was still being heard through a building pretty often by the super mutants. I also was only able to really kill one person with sneak attacks before everyone in the camp is attacking me. Even with sneak 5, i had to run WAY away from the camp to get them to lose me, no matter how i hid in houses or behind rocks.
Just now i had a lot better success going through inside maps though. My guess is the AI groups are smaller inside than in larger camps so you notice it less.
Note that this is all without a companion. I found stealth 100% useless with a companion because when they go in to combat, I seemingly cannot sneak attack.
There’s something wrong with your game Murbella! Not sure why sneaking is not working for you. Maybe you’re dragging a string of cans.
The funny thing is that my companion is usually next to worthless and only starts shooting when stuff is already in her/my face.
Feral ghoul tearing into my face while I’m scoped? Thanks, Curie.
Yeah, that happens to me sometimes too.
However in this case there was this huge fire fight ahead of us and my companion just opened up from long range to help the brotherhood of steel guys.
More likely than not it is just really simple implementation of stealth. I don’t think the game really tells you exactly how stealth works so i’ve just maxed out sneak, got my agility decently high (8 or 9 with armor) and then i read somewhere that armor weight affects stealth, so i modded my armor to be light.
This is the same observation by Ars Technical - that the stealth is broken in some way leading to some of us having this rather OP experience. It’s funny you mention armor weight. I’m in power armor so it has been rather surreal.
Edit: could it be that some enemies were not affected by sneak attack because they were already in combat with brotherhood?
Yeah, it probably is. That is my takeaway, that sneak attack is not based on whether you’re in combat, but whether the target is.
This is similar to how you can catch a certain story disease from your companion or even an allied protectron being hit by said disease giver.
In any event, this means stealth is strong against small groups of enemies in buildings but weak in larger battles where the target has too many friends to make a dent in them with sneak attacks.
I don’t know armor weight affects anything. Just something i read online. My friend did say that was the reason super mutants would hear me through walls while i’m sneaking with sneak 5 but who knows.
40 hours in and I have officially decided the Minute Men settlement quests and Brotherhood fetch stuff, is not fun. Its meh filler.
I should have headed right to Diamond city, as now I am finally looking for the kid after so much time has passed, I really don’t care about him. :p
I also wish I could have 2 companions come with me everywhere I go.
The minuteman generic recruitment quests do suck, but the rewards (settlements) are worth it and they lead to a pretty cool quest later on.
