Fallout: New Vegas

Gus_Smedstad1 · 2011-10-14T06:20:28.000Z

You’d think, except it isn’t. One of the things that turned me off about Oblivion was that I found it nearly impossible to hit anything with a bow. I would have given up on Fallout 3 very early if shooting were as difficult. Not to mention VATS.

Telefrog · 2011-10-14T07:31:10.000Z

Gus_Smedstad:

You’d think, except it isn’t. One of the things that turned me off about Oblivion was that I found it nearly impossible to hit anything with a bow. I would have given up on Fallout 3 very early if shooting were as difficult. Not to mention VATS.

I know. It was a joke referencing the popular (but stupid) critcism of the previews.

scharmers · 2011-10-14T11:43:02.000Z

“some people have a different opinion of me” != hyperbole about how ‘bad’ was the game.

No, statements like “Oblivion was a debacle” are hyperbole. This is an objective statement, not a reflection on the poster.

DNF was a debacle. BC3K was a debacle. Diakatana was a debacle.

Oblivion’s shortcomings bring it nowhere near any of the above, hence, it was not a debacle. Follow me?

Sarkus · 2011-10-14T12:24:28.000Z

I’m not sure why we are arguing about Oblivion in the Fallout New Vegas thread, but when Kerzain says Oblivion has clunky fundamental mechanics and "…crappy dungeons, horrible main quest, voice acting, player & npc models, AI, loot… ", you start to wonder why he would have any hope for Skyrim. Oblivion had problems, but if I thought it was that bad then Skyrim wouldn’t be on my radar at all.

Imryll · 2011-10-14T13:03:17.000Z

Kunikos:

Skyrim is still Gamebryo. But I think it’s a newer version and they have made their own improvements to their own tech.

But I agree. I would love to see Obsidian do Skyrim: Bloodmoon or such.

I wonder … They’ve been talking about wanting to do a longer DLC. I’d probably prefer they did it in-house, but contracting out a large DLC would be an interesting maneuver, and would allow Todd et al. begin to spend more time on Fallout 4.

kerzain · 2011-10-14T13:43:03.000Z

Imryll:

I wonder … They’ve been talking about wanting to do a longer DLC. I’d probably prefer they did it in-house, but contracting out a large DLC would be an interesting maneuver, and would allow Todd et al. begin to spend more time on Fallout 4.

Longer than what, Horse Armor? Like, as in, Horse Armor Deluxe: The Quickening?

kerzain · 2011-10-14T13:48:56.000Z

Sarkus:

I’m not sure why we are arguing about Oblivion in the Fallout New Vegas thread, but when Kerzain says Oblivion has clunky fundamental mechanics and "…crappy dungeons, horrible main quest, voice acting, player & npc models, AI, loot… ", you start to wonder why he would have any hope for Skyrim. Oblivion had problems, but if I thought it was that bad then Skyrim wouldn’t be on my radar at all.

I have hope for Skyrim for the same reason I have hope for any other brand of entertainment: I don’t stop buying music from a particular band just because they release one colossal fuck-up of an album. I don’t stop watching movies just because a particular director or studio might have released a epic bomb recently. And I certainly don’t stop reading books by a particular author just because she releases a big lethargic shitpile of a dud.

So why would I stop playing Bethesda games just because Oblivion was such an unforgivable disaster, capiche?

Razgon · 2011-10-14T13:51:05.000Z

Its true - it almost destroyed humanity.

scharmers · 2011-10-14T14:42:22.000Z

It’s just trolling at this point. :)

kerzain · 2011-10-14T14:49:50.000Z

No, it isn’t :)

Fuck off, shitbird. :)

The QT3 mentality that people that disagree are being disingenuous is lame. :)

Dawn_Falcon · 2011-10-14T15:26:30.000Z

kerzain:

I don’t stop buying music from a particular band just because they release one colossal fuck-up of an album.

No, but I will say that the hype surrounding the next release is just that, and I’ll wait for the reviews. I didn’t really enjoy Oblivion until I’d modded the shit out of its balance, and I don’t really have the time and interest to do that to games these days.

(I get /paid/ to balance stuff, doing it in my spare time as well…)

XPav · 2011-10-18T22:52:55.000Z

Just finished Lonesome Orad, and I think, after many hours, Fallout New Vegas is done.

What really bothered me about LR was that Ulysses was endlessly pontificating about what “I” had done – when I had absolutely no idea what the hell it was. Then I find out that I was helping starting a city in The Divide, and it got blown up? How did I forget that? Yes, probably when I got shot in the head. Didn’t help… The… Long… Drawn out… Speeches… About the old world flag…

OWB was the best. Except for the Nightstalkers. I hate those things.

Gunny · 2011-10-18T22:59:58.000Z

On September 1, 2011, Square Enix announced that the Treasures of the Sun DLC was forthcoming, with an anticipated release in October 2011.

Obsidian Entertainment revealed that they had been working on a canceled project called Alien RPG. The game was canceled for unknown reasons. They also revealed that they are pitching an unknown original IP to several publishers and are getting very good results.

From Wiki…

I asked a few people who have some connections and they said they were unaware of anything specific so it can’t be too far off.

Sarkus · 2011-10-19T01:26:57.000Z

XPav:

What really bothered me about LR was that Ulysses was endlessly pontificating about what “I” had done – when I had absolutely no idea what the hell it was. Then I find out that I was helping starting a city in The Divide, and it got blown up? How did I forget that? Yes, probably when I got shot in the head. Didn’t help… The… Long… Drawn out… Speeches… About the old world flag…

Somebody else explained it on the official forums. It’s kind of lame, but the basic idea is that for the Courier the Divide was just a place you passed through, so even though Ulysses credits you with “starting the town” and it being your “home” it really isn’t necessarily the case (this gives you RP room). What it comes down to is that Ulysses is worked up over some stuff that wasn’t actually your fault (you delivered something to the Divide but someone else tinkered with it and set it off).

I knew they probably weren’t going to deliver a narrative with LR that would live up to expectations, but I also didn’t expect it to be such a stumbling way to end the DLCs and game.

Jafisob · 2011-10-23T00:06:59.000Z

Sarkus:

Somebody else explained it on the official forums. It’s kind of lame, but the basic idea is that for the Courier the Divide was just a place you passed through, so even though Ulysses credits you with “starting the town” and it being your “home” it really isn’t necessarily the case (this gives you RP room). What it comes down to is that Ulysses is worked up over some stuff that wasn’t actually your fault (you delivered something to the Divide but someone else tinkered with it and set it off).

I knew they probably weren’t going to deliver a narrative with LR that would live up to expectations, but I also didn’t expect it to be such a stumbling way to end the DLCs and game.

I didn’t notice any actual consequences of my actions from LR in the rest of New Vegas. A faction that would already KOS me, got pissed off more. Ok, yeah so? Did I miss something in the final credits or dialogue anywhere else?

Squee · 2011-10-23T00:24:29.000Z

Nope. Doesn’t change the final battle or end-game slides.

Sarkus · 2011-10-23T01:02:01.000Z

Squee:

Nope. Doesn’t change the final battle or end-game slides.

Well in fairness why would you expect it to change anything? It’s a side-quest in the bigger scheme of things. And it could impact some stuff, depending on the situation, but the main game is not going to acknowledge that directly. That’s too much to ask, IMHO.

Squee · 2011-10-23T02:21:55.000Z

Spoilery things:

It could majorly impact the final battle. NCR would likely collapse into anarchy if their home cities got nuked. They fight for nationalism more than the Legion, so essentially losing their country would likely fuck them up in a major way. Mass desertions if nothing else.
It’s somewhat more likely the Legion wouldn’t know if they were nuked due to being lower tech than the NCR. News of such thing would most likely be slower to arrive. If they did know however, you shouldn’t be able to talk Lanius into retreating (Which you can, I tried it) since most of their army is at Hoover Dam, it seems unlikely they would go back to an irradiated hellhole instead of taking their chances at taking Vegas.

As for it being too much to ask out of a DLC, probably. But they’re the ones that chose to have this quest have a major impact on the two factions outside of the game area.

Sarkus · 2011-10-23T02:30:09.000Z

Squee:

Spoilery things:

It could majorly impact the final battle. NCR would likely collapse into anarchy if their home cities got nuked. They fight for nationalism more than the Legion, so essentially losing their country would likely fuck them up in a major way. Mass desertions if nothing else.
It’s somewhat more likely the Legion wouldn’t know if they were nuked due to being lower tech than the NCR. News of such thing would most likely be slower to arrive. If they did know however, you shouldn’t be able to talk Lanius into retreating (Which you can, I tried it) since most of their army is at Hoover Dam, it seems unlikely they would go back to an irradiated hellhole instead of taking their chances at taking Vegas.

As for it being too much to ask out of a DLC, probably. But they’re the ones that chose to have this quest have a major impact on the two factions outside of the game area.

I don’t think it was really all that clear in LR who or what all was going to be nuked anyway. I got the sense that it was mainly just supply lines and not so much the cities of the two factions. And again, that goes way beyond what the scope of the game would cover anyway, not to mention that its all non-canon anyway in bigger scheme of things.

Tyjenks · 2011-10-23T14:24:56.000Z

LTTP and all that. Quick questions that may be covered in the long-ass thread.

I seem to have a lot more success with kills outside of using VATS and just crouching and firing. I swear I shoot things at point blank range with 95% success like 5-6-7 times before a kill. Wasssup with that.

I believe I have a box full of corrupted saves. If I had to mess with Steam files on another machine on which I did not have New Vegas installed, could it have jacked up my saves on the PC where I was playing NV? I have not gotten very far, but my quicksave, autosave and the last regular save are all corrupt it seems. It sticks on loading.

Crap.