I don’t see any lunge, but even if there was one, why did they get so close before trying a taser or something? It’s like the bad movies where the guy with the gun gets too close.

That video of the 4chan gun forum (/k/) members ‘trolling’ the protesters is incredibly creepy after the shooting of 5 protestors. “You have a gun?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3gc91IpFE&feature=youtu.be

Oh hell. The Chicago shooting of a Laquan McDonald was released this evening. I will not post the link but it is all over the web and is not difficult to find. It is not “gross” but it is disgusting in the actions of the officer(s) involved.

Here are the facts:

(1) Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke shot him 16 times on a street in October of 2014. McDonald was holding a knife but did not pose an active threat to the officers. He was at least 12 feet away and walking parallel to the officers (probably more like 15 feet depending on the road width).

(2) Officers entered a Burger King to review the footage of McDonald’s actions leading up to the shooting, though not of the shooting itself. The police were in there for 3 hours. The next day investigators found 86 minutes of footage - all right around the time of the incident - had been erased. The police erased the events leading up to the shooting.

(3) The DA’s office saw this video less than two weeks after the shooting and did not charge the officer.

(4) Chicago paid the family $5m to make this go away. As part of the settlement the judge ordered that the video could not be released by the family.

(5) Chicago was sued to be forced to release the video. A judge ordered the footage released on November 19th, 2015.

(6) The DA suddenly decided to charge the officer with 1st degree murder today. The judge in point 5 said the footage had to be released by tomorrow. Remember, the DA had seen the footage over a year ago and it took the public release of the footage for them to act to charge the officer.

(7) The video shows the victim being shot 16 times. He’s shot in the head on the first bullet, spins and falls to the pavement. The officer continues to fire, reloads and continues to shoot the prone, twitching victim. There is clearly a puff of smoke from a bullet ricocheting off the pavement 15 seconds after the initial head shot. It is incredibly damning, disturbing and disgusting footage.

With all that said I think there is going to be a fair chance the officer gets off. The only reason the officer is getting charged is because the video is being released. That means the DA’s office wants no part of this case. They do not want to charge him. They do not want to convict him. Thus I wonder if they are stacking the deck against the probability of a conviction already.

(8) The DA charged him with first degree murder. I wonder if this is a setup to get the jury to acquit the officer. In some jurisdictions a jury cannot consider a lesser charge (2nd degree murder, manslaughter, etc.). I do not know the law in Illinois but I wonder if this is the case. They may have a difficult time proving first degree murder here because that generally means it has to be premeditated. If this is not premeditated then it is not first degree murder and if the jury can not choose a lesser charge then he walks.

(9) The defense will surely argue that the first shot was justified. It is not but I think even with the video you might get some on the jury to believe that- especially if they can change the jurisdiction. The first shot hit him in the head. If they can say that was the killing shot, then the other 15 bullets may become irrelevant so shooting him in the head 15 seconds later is no longer murder. Since to the best of my knowledge there are no other pending charges, then there is nothing to convict on all subsequent shots.

Nice writeup.

(2) Officers entered a Burger King to review the footage of McDonald’s actions leading up to the shooting, though not of the shooting itself. The police were in there for 3 hours. The next day investigators found 86 minutes of footage - all right around the time of the incident - had been erased. The police erased the events leading up to the shooting.

Isn’t destroying evidence a felony? This should be prosecuted.

Also, the kid was on PCP, and flipps out a knife right in front of the cops and keeps walking.

I think the cops may have screwed up, but it’s not like this is some case where they shot an innocent guy as in some of the other cases.

Isn’t destroying evidence a felony? This should be prosecuted.

Yes, if a cop destroyed evidence he absolutely needs to go to jail.

Shooting a guy 14 times when he’s lying on the ground is a bizarre definition of screwing up.

Actually the FBI agrees with him. Right-wing extremists are considered a far bigger threat than Islamic ones.

What prevents the police from deleting the dashcam footage in an incident like this? I’m always amazed when footage turns up that proves cops wrong, mostly because it wasn’t somehow deleted by the whole “got to protect our own” mentality.

Apparently in this case this is the only cam, even though there are tons of police cars they all lost the footage or happened to have theirs off.

Sounds like luck or one police officer who refused to cover it up. Also the d
Cams do have sound but not in this video.

Regardless, that does not give officers carte blanche to act like executioners when their lives are not in danger.

Especially reloading and continuing to fire.

Exactly. I wonder what the protocols are for suspects on PCP? I know that’s one of the dangerous ones for cops because some people high on it aren’t going to feel pain and so will fight on long past when another person would have gone down. I have to imagine that for someone who doesn’t have a gun, cops should go with taser first.

At the risk of being pedantic, the way I read it, the officer shot until his clip was empty and went to get another clip and reload. A fellow officer told him that was enough and to stand down.

The video is beyond damning either way.

I’d like to see the training manual, video or course officers use that tell them to just go ahead and keep shooting until the clip is empty.

I can’t answer for police, but in the US Army we were taught to fire center mass and keep firing until the target is down. With slower rates of fire, or more powerful caliber guns, that’s a three/four shot grouping. With a rapid-fire semi-auto, a lighter round, and a person on PCP, I could buy a whole clip getting emptied especially when you factor in an adrenalin surge.

Note that I’m not condoning what happened here.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve always been told as well (IANASoldier, but have several family members who are or have been). I don’t know how legitimate the stories are about drug-raged people being able to act out in a dangerous manner while riddled with bullets, but I’ve heard those as well. This was obviously not the case in the video - the person was down and not making any motion to get up.

The reason I said that is everything I’ve read, granted not the same as the real thing, says police a trained to: shoot until the threat is neutralized, down, and no longer a threat to themselves or the public. They are not trained to empty the magazine into a target.

In this case, it looks like the latter to me, not the former which might be the reason for the charge.

The first shot hit him in the head.

I don’t believe they reloaded and continued to fire

So it is now mostly confirmed now the shooters were actually the people who were making the 4chan politics forum video above.