So you honestly think it was restricted to Detroit and Baltimore?

Hmmm…

Exactly this. This is spot on.

-Todd

I don’t think that is quite accurate in terms of what happened in Detroit.

Detroit wasn’t rolling along all awesome, and then all industry suddenly evaporated, and then caused all of their problems.

Detroit was horrifically mismanaged for decades. Lots of cities have suffered from loss of industrial manufacturing. They didn’t all turn into the wasteland from Fallout 3.

Detroit’s mismanagement on the part of its local government directly contributed to their economic downfall. They drove away any prospect of investment, which is why it continued to decline further and further decade after decade.

Blaming Detroit’s problems on the collapse of the automotive industry is shortsighted for a few reasons. First, there is the fact that we actually do still manufacture cars in the united States. It’s not like that industry doesn’t exist any more. It’s just that alot of that manufacturing no longer take place in Detroit. That’s not coincidental. Other places provided a more attractive environment for those manufacturers.

Second, things change over time. Lots of cities have been boom towns, and then had to change with the times when the economy moved on. That’s part of the job of local government, to have some vision of how to move forward.

Detroit’s local government failed in absolutely every way in terms of that type of governance and vision. The policies that were implemented over decades directly contributed to their current problems.

Oh Detroit was mismanaged as well, but the whole city was a one-trick pony. They made shit. They never had a back up plan for anything else.

Most other cities aren’t that dedicated to one thing like they were. Add in short-sighted political leaders and corruption and they were pretty well doomed. Even without poor leadership, I doubt they would’ve fared very well. They might have achieved shithole status instead of post-apocalyptic dystopia though.

I use ‘Fascist’ very much in terms of those phrases you mention (Plutocratic, Corporate etc). The modern day Fascism (as shaped pretty much by America PLC since the end of the second world war (in particular)) is not the same as traditional Fascism (Germany, Italy, Spain etc) but does come from the same type of place (that of an elite wealthy controlling power mostly involved in Big Arms & Big Industry etc).

I also completely agree that in effect many modern western ‘Democracies’ are pretty much not Democratic (the UK is a great example of this btw, but on balance ‘less damaging’ to the world as a whole). They are carefully balanced systems of Plutocracy/Oligarchy with media ‘on message’, not the overt brainwashing of Old Communism or Old Fascism, it is a much more sophisticated thing these days, with decades of additional physiological research put into it. The only way i can really explain why i know this, is because i find it almost impossible to listen/watch regular American media for long periods of time without feeling like i’m being subtly (or not subtle at all in the case of Fox News!) manipulated.

It’s a very uncomfortable sensation, and saddens me to be honest. The promise of America, what it could (should) have been has pretty much been subverted by these private corporate concerns over the social good it once represented, that’s how it seems at any rate from the outside looking in.

I think the reason the recent American wars of aggression have been ‘worse’ than previous ones is in part about the world we live in today compared to 50 years ago. Look if ANY nation deserves a good tar and feathering it is MINE! We pretty much (until the rise of the USA) stamped all over the globe exporting our particular brand of ‘civilisation’ (correct spelling btw! Sid!). That was mixed with a technological/Christian desire to ‘raise up’ many of the more backward societies we ran over. But it was also a huge money making exercise and that was the driver of it. So yeah we were pretty nasty to quite a lot of generally good people because it made the UK rich and powerful. But in truth we did as much harm as good and the world today is very much an imprint of those times.

So yeah i know ALL about Empire, how it works, why and who it is really for. It’s not for your personal good by the way. If you gain any personal benefit that is a fringe benefit, on the small social scale, and aimed to keep you propping up the system running the show. The concern i have for recent modern Imperialism, as expressed by the USA in particular over recent decades, is it has none (as in zero) of the social good aspect to it, at all. How’s the rebuilding going in Iraq or Afghanistan? Pretty poorly for the most powerful nation on earth. And that feeds directly into the ‘hardness’ of your society as a whole that i was talking about.

Sure (as a typical American) who cares about Iraq and Afghanistan and the people there? that is a world away and NOT in the usa so why care?

That changes as we have seen when that same ‘hardened’ attitude is applied on your own Domestic situation, as in the whole Militarization of your Police issue. You (well the Black (non white) Americans will care) may not care because their new military strategy is not targeting you personally (which is good, you really don’t want that, so behave and don’t interfere (right?)).

But besides all the specific relevant stuff, the same core principles and reasons that drive your ‘hardened’ Imperialism abroad are driving your ‘hardened’ Imperialism at home. Money, an Elite, broken democracy, an increasingly extreme and dangerous ultra rich that are driving all of this (and ‘this’ is a very broad brush from the Wars for Profits, to your internal Race War, to Man Made Climate Change and environmental destruction).

I have no specific answers to your (and all of ours) problems here. I sort of do what i can (mostly by not buying products from Corporations i can see are behind most of these issues, the theory here is that our money gives them power etc) but mostly at this stage the important thing is to be aware of the issues. Even if you vehemently disagree with them, just knowing the different perspective on the issues can help in the long run. Information and knowledge is power, and going back to the reason this age is more important in all this compared to 50 years ago, that is about information.

We all know, pretty much instantly, what is going on all around the world (well except for North Korea!), and that is a great thing for the chance to reclaim all our Democracies in the future, and stop this old world destructive cycle of Imperialism and war. I’m no super idealist, but i can see we could do so much more together rather than just pipe the tune of some elite class for their own further financial gain.

Edit: Just to nip this particular bud, i’m not talking about Conspiracy anything here. Everything i mentioned is completely overt and in public view. It is the way things are run. No Lizards, no sheeple, just the way the modern (American Corporate) world works.

Edit: Just to nip this particular bud, i’m not talking about Conspiracy anything here. Everything i mentioned is completely overt and in public view. It is the way things are run. No Lizards, no sheeple, just the way the modern (American Corporate) world works.

Sure, but the reality is that America is covered with towns and cities which were basically just manufacturing towns… and they didn’t all turn into Fallout.

Detroit’s problem was basically that its local government didn’t recognize or acknowledge the fact that things were changing… over a period of literally decades. Instead of trying to retool their economy for the future, they actively fought against that change (and they lost). Their policies actually prevented the transition to other new economic bases, by effectively penalizing any company that even thought about moving there. For decades they prevented the cleanup of blight in the city, which caused those regions to expand further and further, because freaking no one wants to live or work next to abandoned warehouses with every window broken. So then the buildings next to those warehouses get abandoned too.

Detroit was certainly in for hard times, just like tons of other manufacturing cities around the country. But Detroit fared far worse than they had to, because their local government was grossly incompetent. What’s worse, they were grossly incompetent for over half a century, and kept getting put back in office.

I think Dan phrased it pretty well… it’s not necessarily that they were democrats, but perhaps more due to the fact that they were allowed to grow complacent and establish themselves as the only game in town.

Baltimore’s state attorney - “There is probable cause to file criminal charges on what we believe to be Freddie Gray’s homicide.”

She got elected basically on a platform of holding the police accountable for their actions, so she kind of HAD to file charges.

Also, the story coming out from the police and medical examiner seemed absurd, that he somehow broke his own neck in the paddywagon.

Yup, supposedly “witnessed” by a fellow passenger that had a solid metal wall between them, from what I gather.

That guy was interviewed last night, and he was like, “F THAT SHIT. I DON’T TALK TO THE COPS.”

Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me one bit. Something is rotten, over there.

The preliminary report is ridiculous.

He broke his neck on a bolt! Yeah… That’s the ticket!

All six police officers involved are being charged.

Officer Caesar Goodson – the driver of the police van – was charged with second-degree murder, while charges including manslaughter, assault, and misconduct in public office were brought against five other officers. Goodson, who has refused to cooperate with investigators, faces up to 30 years in prison.

Officer William Porter and Sergeant Alicia D White were charged with manslaughter, assault and misconduct.

Lieutenant Brian Rice, Officer Garrett Miller and Officer Edward Nero were charged with manslaughter, assault, misconduct and false imprisonment.

All six officers involved were charged. Warrants have been issued for their arrest. They are expected to be arraigned in court later on Friday.

The police union responds

We all know driving erratically with a dude handcuffed in the back and no seat belt just screams obligation and diligence. You know, if your goal was to severely injure or kill a motherfucker.

The last time I saw a white police force treat a black underpopulation so badly, we all started boycotting fruit and veg. Perhaps the international community needs to make a joint statement now social media is unleashing the horrors of life as an African American to the world.

Yeah, but no doubt what really happened is some officer slammed the guy’s head into the back seat partition, and the bolt thing is to make it seem like an accident.

I lack context. What was this boycott about? South Africa?

Yes, although purely a comparison of police brutality rather than apartheid.

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