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Some of the usual suspects on my Facebook wall have made half-hearted attempts.

1842

Read the comments from that article… there are tons of folks who defend it.
But notice the caveat I added to my comment.

1843

Remember that cop who got murdered in Illinois a little while back? And then they had the huge manhunt for the 2 guys who killed him, but never caught anyone?

Yeah, well he apparently faked his homicide and actually shot himself, as they were getting close to making the case against him as a corrupt cop.

Not sure if it goes here or not? Technically, he was shot by a cop.

1844

The police are investigating the widow and the son for having knowledge of his crimes.

WGN-TV reported late Wednesday that Melodie and D.J. Gliniewicz were the two individuals with whom Joe Glieniewicz communicated in text and Facebook messages in which he discussed his fear of exposure. Authorities released those messages Wednesday morning, identifying the recipients as “Individual #1” and “Individual #2”.

WGN also reported that among the expenses Gliniewicz paid for with money meant for Fox Lake’s Police Explorer program was a Hawaii vacation with his wife that cost up to $9,000.

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The Washington Posthttp://https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/06/black-grad-student-on-hunger-strike-in-mo-after-swastika-drawn-with-human-feces/ has a great article on the recent unrest in the University of Missouri. It also touches upon some of the comments and backlash that is going on. It is shameful how much of an issue racism is in our nation. And once again, it seems the youth of our nation has to struggle with the repercussions of the older generations not will to tackle the problem (as if the environment, and income inequality werent enough for them).

1846

Don’t commit any noise violations in Tuscaloosa:

And don’t jaywalk in Austin:

1847

I try and take people at their word, but I had trouble with this one. It was hard to see a pattern of racism, or maleficence, in the protester’s complaint.

I went back to school in 2012, and so I’m somewhat familiar with the atmosphere on college campuses these days. I was also living here in Charlottesville when the Rolling Stone article was published, and when protesters started throwing cinder blocks through Phi Psi’s windows.

I have seen how mobs can operate.

Do you remember the scene in 21 Jump Street when they enter school ‘one strapping’ only to find that no-one does that anymore? And, to Channing Tatum’s bewilderment, that the socially aware nerds have become the cool kids?

21 Jump Street may describe a fictional high school, but it felt like the colleges I know. At UVa the popular kids, even your top tier houses, were heavily involved in community service programs. They built schools, tutored inner city youth, went on mission trips, and promoted sexual assault awareness. And it wasn’t about making a quota, or putting something on a resume.

It was cool to be kind.

If you’ve seen South Park recently, you’ve probably encountered PC Principle. He’s the frat bro turned uber PC activist. The character is certainly an exaggeration, but that sort of person does actually exist. There is a culture of competition where people fight to be the most socially aware - and these people leap on perceived social transgressions without mercy.

The danger I found, was that these groups started seeing transgressions in the innocuous. In their eagerness to fight injustice, they saw enemies that did not exist - and they often exaggerated problems with dodgy statistics.

Mizzou probably has it’s flaws, all schools do, but this rush to judgement … and the thin nature of the complaint, it makes me skeptical. At the very least, I think Mizzou deserves the benefit of the doubt while any charges are investigated.

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*Travis, Mizzou Player Strike…

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Sorry, walking around calling people the n word on campus is not innocuous. Not after Ferguson happened right around the corner quite recently.

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There were two recorded instances, according to the complaint. And I can’t see any evidence of foot dragging from Mizzou either. They suspended the perpetrator, pending an official investigation. And that investigation will probably end in expulsion. Like most schools they appear to have a zero tolerance policy.

Not after Ferguson happened right around the corner quite recently.

Let’s take the time to look at the facts and see what did, or did not happen.

Let’s not make the same mistakes we did with Ferguson.

1850

There should be zero.

1851

So if someone does something racist at your job, you should immediately lose your job no matter what you do?

Doesn’t that seem kind of childish?

My view is the same as Incendiary Lemon based on what i’ve heard from the news. Wolfe sounds like a scapegoat. Some random idiots did racist things in the general area of the university. The university immediately responded. People lashed out without thinking against the nearest convenient target.

There may very well be racism down there (probably is), but you’re a dumb ass if you blame the president of a university for someone in a truck driving by you and calling you an insulting name.

Is there actually a valid complaint that wolf did not respond properly to racism here? All i’m hearing is “someone was racist to me in the town and wolf is a rich white male.”

Even after reading the article fully, i can’t figure out how their claim that he was negligent in his response is justified.

1852

FFS, do you honestly believe one incident is what triggered this? Look at the side stories listed there.

1853

I read this article.

Here is the summary:

  1. Someone in a truck calls a black student the N word at night. Is it proven they are even from the school. I agree it seems likely, but how is the university president responsible for this?

Assuming you believe someone should be expelled for using foul language (i’m undecided on that), is it reasonable to expect the university to be able to find the person? I think without going to the police it is probably not likely unless he got a REALLY good look at him or could identify the person himself. I didn’t find in the article where he identified the person and the president ignored it.

  1. Someone super drunk being a dick and talking on their phone during a performance responds with the the N word when asked to leave.

Again, should someone be expelled for this? If you believe the answer is yes, then potentially the safety officer on the scene should have handled it differently. It did sound like they were more concerned with protecting the drunken idiot from a potential violent response to his language.

  1. Swastika using human feces.

well, for one i would think this would not be targeting African American students primarily, but i guess people who use that symbol have grown more… diverse over the years.

Really though how the hell are they supposed to find who did this? Maybe if they had cameras there or someone saw something, but barring DNA testing everyone on the campus, it is not unreasonable at all for the university to not be able to to find the people who did this.

So yes, reading the story YOU linked, i do not see a pattern of systematic negligence on the part of the president of the university when it comes to dealing with racial incidents. The closest we get is they did not expel some drunken idiot who used the N word, assuming they could identify him and if they could not, they did not properly train their safety officers.

1854

Of course you don’t.

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Yes, you should lose your job if your response to the complaints was as muted as this was. We had an incident where I worked. I explained the situation to my manager, it was addressed that very day. I would not have accepted anything less than immediate and direct action.

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So, wait, some of you think that this is okay and people should just take it? Some guy went on a hunger strike. I mean, I skip a meal every now and then, but I cant image how painful it would be to go on a hunger strike. Thats not something you do about a minor issue.

I went to a school with perhaps a handful of black students but I swear if something like Ferguson happened in the neighboring towns, we would have all kinds of noise. The lack of the schools response just shows the level of racisms that exists in that place and it should not be tolerated.

1857

Your counter argument is fictional works? Yeah, thats compelling.

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I’m trying to say, in the politest way I can, that this appears to be a straight up fraud.

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I don’t live in Missouri, nor do i go to this school currently or in the past. All i can go by is the articles linked and other stories on the news about it. There does not appear to be a pattern of negligence dealing with racism based on these.

This doesn’t mean people should just sit there and take it or that it is ok, but you guys are not being realistic on what the president of the university can actually do. I can think a Swastika of feces is wrong but still question how the school is expected to find who did it.

For the people who thought he should step down, picture yourself in his shoes.

What do you do in the three mentioned racist events that would not result in you being fired?

Here they are again in the off chance you’ve forgotten what your very own articles claim has led up to this:

  1. Someone in a truck calls a black student the N word at night. How likely is it that the student has the licence plate or can identify the student by face/name? He probably has a description of the truck, but how does this lead to you finding the person? What do you do if he is a student? What if he isn’t a student?

  2. Someone super drunk being a dick and talking on their phone during a performance responds with the the N word when asked to leave. In this case we again might not even be able to identify the student because the safety officer did not stop him. In the event we can’t find him, do we expel the safety officer or not stopping him? You could say this is an incident requiring different training for people in this position, but then this response would be seen as not enough for protesters.

  3. Swastika using human feces. I didn’t see any mention of witnesses or camera of the individual(s) who did this. You could try to use DNA and forced DNA tests i guess, but that would be HIGHLY illegal.

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Here is another article on the topic.

“I’m just wondering what is the next step now that the president has stepped down,” said 24-year-old student Jovan Russell. Russell was a Mizzou freshman in 2009 when two students defaced the Black Culture Center with cotton balls. Russell said he can’t recall school officials doing anything in response to the 2009 incident.

There is a culture of this behavior. Not just incidents of bad students and people. A culture that needs to be uprooted. To say “these things happen” is the kind of response you get from people that are morons. These things don’t happen, unless you allow it.

My undergrad was done in a school that was so white that you walking around would blind you. It was in York PA, in the middle of the rust belt, with a large African American Community. If the sort of thing that you describe as regular or a non issue, Murbella, I would think that York College of PA would be full of it, but even with the Town versus Gown disputes that happened all the time, with drunk frat guys and parties, it never turned to Swastikas and Cotton balls.

This particular problem isn’t something that just happens, unless you live in a racist community or are a racists. There are lines that even drunk frat kids don’t cross, unless you have a community that allows it to happen, that makes no move to say anything. A good community or school will get involved and stop it at its root, and would make this it a teaching moment. The Administration didn’t care, didn’t act didn’t realize that the kids that go to school there are faced with it.

Beyond that, if this is the overt racism, I wonder what the else is going on that doesn’t bubble the surface. The groups of people who stand by and think that this sort of thing is okay? Those are the people that really scare me, because they’ll smile and play nice, but will do everything in there power to keep the ‘wrong’ kinds of people out.