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[TimJames]

2. Tolerating that behavior by doing nothing is a tacit endorsement of it.

These days I’m pretty sure it means you are actively inflicting violence on someone.

[Pyperkub]

These days I’m pretty sure it means you are actively inflicting violence on someone.

No, the drunken student could have been suspended, with a public apology for starters, with a forceful editorial that the behavior would not be tolerated by students, faculty or staff. In other words, use it as a teachable moment.

It is a university, after all.

[Incendiary_Lemon]

In other words, use it as a teachable moment.

No one is claiming that racism is acceptable.

[TimJames]

No, the drunken student could have been suspended, with a public apology for starters, with a forceful editorial that the behavior would not be tolerated by students, faculty or staff. In other words, use it as a teachable moment.

You misunderstand. I’m not following the Murbella thread, because that seems like a pointless red meat piñata.

I’m making a wry observation that toleration (or dragging ones feet) is no longer perceived as tacit endorsement as you said, but rather inflicting violence on someone. Down is up.

[Trelane]

The far left has certainly embraced the Bush doctrine of “You’re either with us or you’re against us”. Jonathan Chait - a liberal who has been critical of the New PC - argues that these recent incidents shouldn’t just be dismissed as isolated cases of “kids being kids”. Rather it is a by-product of modern academic left-wing illiberal thinking, and college campuses happen to be the only place it gets serious traction.

The upsurge of political correctness is not just greasy-kid stuff, and it’s not just a bunch of weird, unfortunate events that somehow keep happening over and over. It’s the expression of a political culture with consistent norms, and philosophical premises that happen to be incompatible with liberalism. The reason every Marxist government in the history of the world turned massively repressive is not because they all had the misfortune of being hijacked by murderous thugs. It’s that the ideology itself prioritizes class justice over individual rights and makes no allowance for legitimate disagreement.

That these activists have been able to prevail, even in the face of frequently harsh national publicity highlighting the blunt illiberalism of their methods, confirms that these incidents reflect something deeper than a series of one-off episodes. They are carrying out the ideals of a movement that regards the delegitimization of dissent as a first-order goal.

[Pyperkub]

You misunderstand. I’m not following the Murbella thread, because that seems like a pointless red meat piñata.

I’m making a wry observation that toleration (or dragging ones feet) is no longer perceived as tacit endorsement as you said, but rather inflicting violence on someone. Down is up.

Aha! Yeah, some of the safe space crap is exactly that, however open use of the n-word has been so much more in this country.

Spics and chinks and polacks and jews don’t have the same history of being lynched in the USA.

[Quaro]

Ironically, Jonathan Chait and the billions of followup articles are doing an amazing job of being a perfect example of exactly what they lament in their articles: taking a bunch of anecdotes (quite often the same anecdotes in all the articles even) and spinning it into a morale panic. Just like the child abduction crisis of the 80s they talk about.

Did you hear Seinfeld think colleges are too PC? And how about this letter to the editor that a student wrote 5 years ago? Rolleyes.

[Telefrog]

Chinese immigrants weren’t lynched in the numbers that blacks were but it happened. Chinese immigrants were at times forcibly removed from homes and shipped back to China, so there’s that too.

Granted, it’s not slavery and Jim Crow, but Americans don’t talk about it much at all.

[CraigM]

Chinese immigrants weren’t lynched in the numbers that blacks were but it happened. Chinese immigrants were at times forcibly removed from homes and shipped back to China, so there’s that too.

Granted, it’s not slavery and Jim Crow, but Americans don’t talk about it much at all.

Nor do we talk about concentration camps for Japanese during WWII. Racism is as American as apple pie and baseball.

[TimJames]

Ironically, Jonathan Chait and the billions of followup articles are doing an amazing job of being a perfect example of exactly what they lament in their articles: taking a bunch of anecdotes (quite often the same anecdotes in all the articles even) and spinning it into a morale panic. Just like the child abduction crisis of the 80s they talk about.

Did you hear Seinfeld think colleges are too PC? And how about this letter to the editor that a student wrote 5 years ago? Rolleyes.

I’m sympathetic to this view, which is why I typically scroll by the anecdotes. The Atlantic’s examination from a psychotherapy angle was much more interesting than the usual hot takes.

[playingwithknives]

Ironically, Jonathan Chait and the billions of followup articles are doing an amazing job of being a perfect example of exactly what they lament in their articles: taking a bunch of anecdotes (quite often the same anecdotes in all the articles even) and spinning it into a morale panic. Just like the child abduction crisis of the 80s they talk about.

Did you hear Seinfeld think colleges are too PC? And how about this letter to the editor that a student wrote 5 years ago? Rolleyes.

waves hand

These are not the Social Justice Warriors you are looking for.

Still trying to spin the line that a gargantuan army of idiotic millennials armed to the teeth with identities and feels don’t exist? Even though the evidence is so overwhelming? and pretending its just minor college things and about nothing consequential when elsewhere white people who use phrases like “freeze peach” are telling POCs that their very existence as apostates offends the poor, oppressed Islamist identity, and that they will offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates, at the very same time as no platforming POC ex-Muslim women speakers.

Btw Chait came along to the argument late, his article was only published in Jan 2015. There are threads discussing the very same issues older than that on QT3.

[TimJames]

Still trying to spin the line that a gargantuan army of idiotic millennials armed to the teeth with identities and feels don’t exist? Even though the evidence is so overwhelming?

I feel like there was a really similar discussion to this earlier today.

But still, they could at least find new anecdotes. I get bored easily.

[Quaro]

offends the poor, oppressed Islamist identity, and that they will offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates, at the very same time as no platforming POC ex-Muslim women speakers.

So, we’ve got people being apparently too friendly with Muslims. Do you consider that a cultural trend worth of concern?

[rhinohelix]

Still trying to spin the line that a gargantuan army of idiotic millennials armed to the teeth with identities and feels don’t exist? Even though the evidence is so overwhelming? and pretending its just minor college things and about nothing consequential when elsewhere white people who use phrases like “freeze peach” are telling POCs that their very existence as apostates offends the poor, oppressed Islamist identity, and that they will offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates, at the very same time as no platforming POC ex-Muslim women speakers.

So, we’ve got people being apparently too friendly with Muslims. Do you consider that a cultural trend worth of concern?

Is the bolded statement really your take-away from pwk’s post? Because if so, generously speaking that is some amazing willful blindness happening there.

[Quaro]

Is the bolded statement really your take-away from pwk’s post? Because if so, generously speaking that is some amazing willful blindness happening there.

Straight up I have trouble parsing it, especially the ‘they offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates’ part. The segregated rooms thing seem to suggest a particular event?

[rhinohelix]

Straight up I have trouble parsing it, especially the ‘they offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates’ part. The segregated rooms thing seem to suggest a particular event?

Could be this:
Maryam Namazie speaking invitation from Warwick University’s Atheists, Secularists and Humanists Society initially blocked for fear of offending Muslims

[Tortilla]

Straight up I have trouble parsing it, especially the ‘they offer platform (in segregated rooms) to Islamists calling for death to apostates’ part. The segregated rooms thing seem to suggest a particular event?

PWK seems to have been attending the desslock school of posting. Hyperbole up to 11, content down to 1.

As far as I can tell if one removed his flowery language, the post was

“No really, political correctness has run amok amongst the younger generation. I’ve been saying that on QT3 for years.”

[Nesrie]

So, you expel any student that drunkenly uses a racial slur? Can they avoid expulsion if they can demonstrate the slur was intended affectionately and/or ironically? How about people who play uncensored Kanye West songs in the dorms? I think we can assume this latter group is already drunk and/or stoned.

While I think I see the point you’re trying to make, I think it’s important to point out that alcohol doesn’t make someone a racist. There’s no amount of alcohol I could drink, for example, that would have me leaning out the window screaming racial slurs. I might say some political things, maybe make a point or two about some topics I care about, but alcohol doesn’t just stick racists thoughts inside you; they were already there.

So yes, if a student is caught screaming racial slurs at minorities while driving by, drunk or otherwise, they should face the consequence of that action up to expulsion.

[playingwithknives]

Could be this:
Maryam Namazie speaking invitation from Warwick University’s Atheists, Secularists and Humanists Society initially blocked for fear of offending Muslims

That does lead to the issue and is part of it, as the smears by David Shariatmadari in the Guardian against Maryam a few weeks ago, (and the editorial decision to bury of her reply) shows the institutionalised attacks on ‘problematic’ identities by the left. Where the victim culture warriors entire concept of identity, intersectionality, and allying shows to be a lie when faced with an identity that ticks all the boxes of minority oppression, yet presents a problem which they aren’t willing to address, ie the Jew, the ex-Muslim speaking out against extremist islamists, the trans who identifies as trans and not a woman, the conservative LGB, biological female feminists.(Eg Germaine Greer being accused of genocide and no platformed)

The attacks on these identities have been as vicous as anything you see elsewhere against “white men” if not worse when you look at leftwing anti-Semitism in the ‘social justice’ communities.

[Tin_Wisdom]

While I think I see the point you’re trying to make, I think it’s important to point out that alcohol doesn’t make someone a racist.

Sure, but let’s set the alcohol thing aside even though I do think that there is a good discussion there.

So yes, if a student is caught screaming racial slurs at minorities while driving by, drunk or otherwise, they should face the consequence of that action up to expulsion.

I get that racism is an illogical, unworthy attitude that we as a culture should seek to minimize. And yes, yelling a racist (or misogynistic or nationalistic or religionistic or whatever) slur anonymously at a pedestrian from a vehicle is an asshat thing to do - not to mention about as cowardly a verbal act as I can imagine.

A school can choose to expel someone for an act that is not an actual crime, so they could cite breaking with the school’s code-of-conduct as the reason from expelling someone who shouts an insult at another student.

But I’m pretty sure that no one here is saying that insulting someone while at college is expulsion-worthy… otherwise no one would be left at school… at least no one with a dorm-mate. So what puts this event over that line? The fact that a racist slur was used? The fact that the target was not in an ethnic majority at the school? Both?