First Man: More Round-Earth Propoganda

Yeah, I thought it was especially cool when he had that moment with Janet: “It’s funny, you have to reverse thrust, which puts you in a lower orbit, which lets you catch up to the Agena.” I was like, “Yahssss”

I’ll agree with this. I saw in IMAX too. I didn’t notice the other effects you describe, but I will say the sound was so loud it was muddy throughout and the prevalence of close-up and hand-held shots make IMAX a pretty terrible format for it. This might actually be best on a small screen, though with a decent sound system.

I liked the focus on Armstrong as a guy dealing with repeated tragedy. And I really appreciated that he and Janet didn’t really have character arcs. They didn’t resolve any of their shit, they just dealt with their shit and continued having to deal with it. There wasn’t really any healing or epiphany, just an accumulation of damage and tragedy that they both continued to shoulder and move through their lives with.

I really liked the Gemini 8 launch sequence. It felt like being inside the capsule during a launch, which is a surprisingly unusual perspective in space movies. It’s much more typical to show the power and pyrotechnics of the rocket, like this film did with the Saturn launch. And, knowing what was going to happen, my heart was pounding as the astronauts were climbing in the Apollo 1 capsule for the plugs-out test. The film conveyed a real tense immediacy to that scene. And the moon landing scene, culminating in the camera shot going through the LM door and wide out to the surface of the moon was pretty incredible. I was kind of surprised, given that part of the theme of the movie was the rickety, hacked together, almost steampunk look of the technology (the repeating 1202 and 1201 AGC alarms during the powered descent were great at making it seem hair-raising and chaotic), that they didn’t show the episode with the circuit breaker on the moon’s surface.

Anyway, it was a good film, despite the pervasive use of hand-held shots, which I kind of hate, and extreme closeups on the actors, which are fine sometimes, but overused here. It’s impressive that the actors (especially Foy) are skilled enough to mostly weather this scrutiny, but in scenes like Gosling’s cry after Karen’s funeral, the closeness of the camera felt like an uncomfortable intrusion, so I ended up reminding myself that he’s an actor, which pulled me out of the movie to start concentrating on how well he was portraying the emotion rather than just taking in the scene. It doesn’t matter how good an actor is, the audience needs some social distance from the extreme emotions of a stranger.

I saw it in IMAX as well, and even though I didn’t have any audio/visual issues, for most of it I was kind of wondering if I made the right choice. And then there was that first shot on the moon. At my screening, it sounded like the entire audience gasped in unison.

Yep. The drama was heightened by the loud, chaotic descent moments before, and then the total silence of the pan out to the surface. For some reason, at my showing, a dude with loud shoes on chose to walk to his seat, then walk back out of the theater at that point. The dramatic, silent, magnificent desolation of the moon’s surface punctuated by clomp clomp clomp.

That’s interesting I really liked seeing in iMax with some new Dolby technology (ATMOS I think). The actor extreme close-up were over done at times. But in generally the POV shots really added to the claustrophobic feeling. The capsules really were small, especially the Gemini.

I was impressed with the accuracy of the film. I always though it was pronounced Gem In Eye and not Gem, In EE but a saw clip of Walter Cronkite say EE so I guess pronunciation changed over time. They got the right alarm codes even if they were few too many in too short a space. As we now know pretty much anytime NASA had trouble with a mission they cancel communication, and Walter would say everything is just fine, just momentary glitch in the radio .

I saw it on weekday matinee and I don’t think there were 20 people in the theater, so I’m afraid it may end up being a financial bust. Which is really pity.

I’ll be the voice of dissent. I thought the movie (apart from one or two scenes) was an absolute bore. I’m not quite sure how you can take such an important and exciting period of history and make it boring but hoo-boy the film makers managed it. Long, lingering shots of Claire Foy looking pensive, chasing the kids around, chatting to neighbors… ZZZzzz. I honestly don’t really care about any of Neil Armstrong’s personal life. It’s his work that is of interest.

I understand they were trying to impose a feeling of claustrophobia for the cockpit scenes but even here the movie fell flat for me. Everything was so dark and dreary with overuse of shaky-cam and close up shots. I’m not sure if this was the intention but it’s like they removed all the wonder and spectacle of space flight.

A big yawn from me 3/10.

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I also think Damien Chazelle might be the most overrated director of this generation. None of this movies have yet failed to elicit the same “look at my watch, is it over yet?” response.

Kudos for the thread title. It makes me laugh every time the thread pops up.

Hell, yes! And thank you! The camera is powerful and close-ups are intimate. Crying scenes can easily come off like emotional pornography. Don’t make me look so close at something so raw.

I try very hard to drill this into the heads of my film students because they often want to go to extremes of emotions and don’t know how to get there. Every film we watch with a dramatic, emotional scene, we study the blocking and framing to see how it’s done. And it’s always done at a distance.

We just talked about it in Eighth Grade. After Kayla comes home from the mall/backseat, she storms upstairs and slams her bedroom door. We hold on the doorknob until Dad follows her in and finds her balled up on the floor beside her bed.

All the while, we stay out of the room, a respectful distance back with the bedroom doorway framing both sides of the shot. It even cuts out the sound and goes to a Kayla voiceover. All we can see is her hair and shaking shoulders while a scared Dad does his best. The protagonist is in, what, 2% of the frame?

I’m pretty lukewarm on First Man. (Ironically) it seems to want to keep me at arm’s length, away from any feeling or warmth, so, well, mission accomplished! But the space flight sequences are terrific in that Saving Private Ryan “putting you inside history” kinda way.

But I agree, Matt. I sure as hell don’t want to be all up in Ryan G’s grill watching him cry tears of unimaginable grief just 12 minutes into the goddamn movie. EJECT!

It’s funny, I don’t even remember starting this topic, but I finally watched First Man last night.

What a great movie. I usually don’t like the slower, more ponderous films, but this one worked for me. And the mix of handheld and steadycam shots, plus the way they really put you in the seat of those rockets, was awesome. Extra points for all the creaking and clanking that made it feel more like an old, rickety boat than a cutting-edge (at the time) rocket.

It felt like a swing and a miss to me. The flight sequences were impressively conceived and executed, but the film managed to make humanity’s greatest adventure seem like a glum exercise in glummy glumness. I know Armstrong was an enigmatic character (Michael Collins wrote that he barely felt he got to know the guy at all) and obviously the death of his daughter must have been devastating to him personally, but I never really believed that Gosling and Chazelle were really recreating this man and his experience:

Mmm. I think I agree with both of you. It feels lika story about grief crowbared onto one of the most impressive accomplishments in human history. And there’s this tension between the camera and Gosling as well - so much of the domestic stuff is handheld and can barely contain itself while Gosling is entirely closed off.

But - the test flights were dope as hell, and seeing the way they did the moon landing on a big screen was fucking transcendent, and made up for so much.

I don’t have an argument with you guys about the film in general, but I’m not sure about the flight sequences. It seemed to me that they must have paid a lot for their set vibrating devices and were determined to get as much use out of them as they could. If the rockets vibrated so much that the instruments became illegible, how were the astronauts able to call out readings? In any case, I could believe that the X-15 rocket plane vibrated a helluva lot when it was under power, but vibrating just as much when it was gliding back to earth? Really?