First Star Wars standalone movie: Rogue One


#944

I actually liked AoTC the best of the prequels, but not by much. It started off pretty good with the assassination attempt, the car chase, had Boba Fett origin story. I didn’t even mind the gladiator fight all that might.

Phantom Menace just dragged for me. Some of it is a bit of “woooo” new Star Wars movie and we bought a lot of tickets to see over the weekend. I was capital D- DONE with it by the end. Sith just made Vader seem… not the guy we saw in Star Wars.

The Disney movies I find more enjoyable by a long shot. But I am in the camp of “did I get a night’s entertainment out of it” and not worried about it rocking my world.


#945

The article on Gilroy says that the director’s cut was very different. I haven’t listened to the podcast. Any chance that cut ever comes out? Seems unlikely given that MegaCorp owns the franchise now.


#946

That cut would most likely have been some early/rough cut without completed effects or sound to show the basic plot, pacing etc. not something that would ever be released.


#947

It had the redemption of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. That was pretty deep. Why did he do it? Out of love for his son? Midlife crisis? Out of hatred for the Emperor? Because he had such a miserable existence up to that point and wanted to end it all? Did he even know he would die so was it a true sacrifice? Or did he think he would kill the Emperor and walk away leader of the Empire?


#948

Was Jar Jar actually a Sith Lord?

Interesting discussions don’t require good films.


#949

That is not an interesting discussion.


#950

Exactly. Because everyone already knows Jar Jar was actually a Sith Lord.


#951

I dunno, I find it fun


#952

My kids were exposed to the originals first, and they both think the prequels suck. They both also have enjoyed the new SW movies.

I think that is the most important thing for most people. Were you entertained? Yes. Would you have changed some things? Probably.


#953

I don’t know your kids, so I don’t see how this invalidates my statement in the least. Bully for your kids though.


#954

My kids are better than your kids, at least to me. :)


#955

My kids haven’t seen any Star Wars movies. At least not yet. But I’ll report back on their stack rankings of the movies once we do.


#956

My 12 year old saw the latest 2 main SW movies and Rogue One. He liked them all. This past weekend I thought I’d have him watch the original. He immediately noticed the decades old special effects and mentioned that quite a bit. But, after it was over, he was all ready to watch TESB. So, that was cool. He’s not at that teenage stage where he would poo poo anything older than he is.


#957

#958

No, god damn you. Rogue One was a perfectly emcapsulated stand alone story. Why you gotta do this?

Unless it’s a Saw’s renegades movie about the interregnum between the prequels and ANH. I could be game for that.


#959

It apparently will have Diego Luna, so I’m down for the adventures of Cassian before he met Jyn.


#960

A prequel to a prequel? It’s like prequel-ception. I can’t even remember what direction time moves in anymore.


#961

Well, I went into Rogue One completely unspoilered, and up until the end of the movie, was already assuming it was going to be part of a trilogy, so I guess I’m not quite as disappointed as I should be.


#962

Finally got around to seeing this. I apologize if I’m reiterating ponts that have been made many times over, but in general I thought the movie suffered from a finale that went on too long, a dearth of exposition, and incompetence on the part of the militaries that really made a farce of things.

I’ll start on the last part: They steal a shuttle and hope the codes lasted as long as they need to get through the shield: that was the plan. From there on, it should have been obvious they were effed, since they did not know the Rebels would follow up with a task force; they planned on blowing things up way before they knew they could get to the plans surreptitiously, and if doing that, had no plan once the Imperials pulled the sphincter shut. In short, their planning incompetence really should have spelled the end of the movie in failure. Good news! The Empire has no idea how to deal with a rebel attack. Sure, they landed a few Black Stormtroopers in kinda-sorta the right place later on, but otherwise it was one befuddled captain or another falling down over and over. Stormtroopers walk out of their bunker like a bunch of prisoners seeing the sun for the first time, minutes after the alert has sounded… were they all asleep? Tie fighters take forever to launch, but when they do, it’s an entire squadron… did the green light not get flicked or something? Why did those star destroyers sit there forever while the rebels drop bombs on everything? (Oh, because they need to crash into the shield generator… sigh.) And then the rebels. All we needed was a few lines like, “Y-wings, target the Tie hangars!” “Cruisers, encircle the SD’s! Keep them guessing! Frigates flank right!” or whatever. As it is the capital ships sat there and did nothing… until Vader shows up.

Ah yes, what is it that Vader did to suddenly destroy a pile of Calamari Cruiser, frigates, gunships etc? Pop out of hyperspace, was about all I saw. Okay, so if appearing a Star Destroyer in precise coordinates in exactly the right time in the right place to magically destroy an entire task force is Vader’s mastery of strategy and the Force, he couldn’t quite plan a little blockade to stop escaping ships? (all that was needed here were a couple of tie’s getting blasted out of the way or something and I’d forgive a little quicker).

Never mind that the battle on the ground was just a complete mess, no landmarks to sell the tension of their positions. There’s a reason a war movie tells you, ‘this is an important building, this is the bridge, remember them’, because you’ll understand how far they can retreat, where the last stand is, feel the attrition happening to your heroes. Originally I thought they had maybe twenty troopers on the shuttle? During the attack it felt like 50? Who cares! If this was Star Wars trying to be a war movie… it was a pretty bad one. War movies need visible strategy or tactics, or it’s just an action movie (yes).

Speaking of those rebel troopers… my twelve year old self can’t believe I’m writing this, but I’d trade twenty minutes of that final battle for more insight into the Rebel power structure, or how all those troopers were clandestinely convinced to join up. A montage jumping from the shower stalls to the gun range to the hangars, notes passed around, hey there’s action to be had, don’t miss it… etc. As it is we have a bunch of moon faced guys in garb suddenly right there on the deck and no one giving them a funny glance.

The details were just so dissatisfying.


#963

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Edit: oh crap, I’m replying to a month old post