For some persepctive on polling

After reading it again today, three times, just now, I think I got it. Please, tell me if I’m wrong.

Eve can’t find Adam. She runs around, finds him crawling out of some bushes, all out of breath. Suspicious he’s seeing another woman, she counts his ribs. (Eve was made from one of Adam’s ribs.)

It’s amusing. I just think the delivery got garbled when he(she?) typed it out.

Yup! Adam’s got the joke. I think the internet has just proved what my friends have told me for years - I’m really bad at telling jokes. Well, I thought it was a funny joke.

It might have helped if you didn’t mix up ‘he’ and ‘she’ - kind of made it confusing as to who was looking for what. The way you phrased it, it sounded as if Adam was crawling out of bushes, and he was out of breath and flushed.

Dude, you totally messed up that joke.

Does anyone remember the video link here to some French “Who Wants to be a Millionaire” quiz where the guy was asked what planet orbits the earth? His choices were:

  • The Moon
  • The Sun
  • Mars
  • Venus

Not being a dummy, and knowing his limitations, he instantly goes for the 50/50, knocking out Mars and Venus. Okaayyyyyyy, he was pretty sure they weren’t the answer, but know he’s like completely sure it’s either the sun or the moon.

Then he goes for his second lifeline (cos it’s a tough one) and asks the audience, and either they’re really fucking stupid, or they’re fucking with him, and the majority vote in favour of the sun.

His fiancee was in the audience, probably wondering what kind of dope she was marrying.

My urge to mock and deride anyone who didn’t know this basic fact would be too great. It’s right up there with “world is round”.

One thing that a friend of mine, who is a polling specialist working for the Democrat party in Chicago, tells me is that a lot of people like to screw with polls. She said that the first time she was involved in some polling, she was aghast at some of the idiotic answers. Her boss told her that if you conducted a poll where you asked people if the earth was flat or round, you’d usually get about 10% of the people saying flat just to screw with you, and that a significant part of what she would have to learn is how to pose and present the poll to minimize people doing that. Some people just enjoy screwing with pollsters. Come to think of it, it DOES sound like fun.

I’ve thought that for a long–it’s good to get confirmation. Especially these polls where 60% of high school students don’t know blah-blah-blah. How many high school students will give a straight answer to a stupid question? They’d rather let you know that you’re a moron.

Connecticut high school students used to have to take a test during their Sophmore year. The test scores were used to evaluate teacher performance, school performance, district performance, and the state’s performance compared to past test takings. However, on an individual level, there were absolutely no negative repercussions if a student failed the exam. It didn’t keep you from graduating, it didn’t show up on your school transcript, and the scores were never released. And the test proctors (who weren’t regular teachers) let you go chill outside if you finished the exam early.

Something like 2/3rds of Connecticut students failed the test.

A friend of mine answered a pollster who asked him what religion he was with “Babylonian. Reformed Babylonian.”

Also, I remember hearing something about the last British census where something like five thousand people wrote in “Jedi” as their religion.

Religion is serious business! Those Light-Side guys and the Dark-Side guys are always at eachothers’ throats and everything. Kind of like PMD-Evangelicals and sane people here in the USA.

FWIW, Rhonda (the pollster pro I know in Chicago) said that a good poll pro can get just about any result they want if you know how to frame and ask the questions and how to take the poll. Her examples were scary. For example, making the sample look fairly random and representative but choosing, say, what time of day or night you make your calls. Or how you make your introductory sentence on a phone poll (some phrases will cause certain types of people to hang up more often or decline to participate, so even if you have xx% Democrats or Republicans, you’ve “sub-selected” a certain slice of them by such techniques."

I suppose the scariest/most enlightening aspect is that she doesn’t believe in the results of ANY polls as a rule, including the Gallups and Zogbys.

This poll has been driving me completely nuts. I’ve been asking people about it (outside of my circle) and no matter how dumb they appear, they get the answer right. It’s as if everyone in my city grew up with access to a modern education system.

I assume that none of the 18.3% answered the question based on their own astronomical studies. Instead, they most likely learned it from the same morons that taught them evolution was false because the Earth is only 6000 years old. Seriously, when kids start growing up, adults should stop making up wacky stories and think about giving correct answers. Then, later on in life, if some complete and total dumbass wants to forget what he learned just because his commute is boring… fine.

Harugon, I think your experience may illustrate the “screw with the pollster” syndrome. I would bet that if any of us randomly asked the same number of people, in some form of casual conversation, whether the sun goes around the earth or the earth goes around the sun, 99% would get it right. It has nothing to do with evolution or global warming or whatever (as far as I can tell, no one in any schools, religious or not, is teaching sun revolves around the earth.)

I got a better one:

God comes to Adam one day and says “Yeah, if thy wish, I can give unto a mate. I can create for you a perfect companion, one full of lust, love, comfort, compassion, understanding, intellect, strength, knowledge, wisdom. She’ll be all you could ever hope for, and want. However, it will cost you both arms and legs.”

Adam thinks for a second. “Eh, what can I get for one rib?”

Oh, I think we know.

Yeah, I’m trying to accept that so I can stop freaking out about it. It just worries me that the people I deal with might be part of an immobile flat earth society.