robc04
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Anyone else think Sondland sounds like Nate from the last three seasons of the office?
magnet
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How is this hard to understand?
Traffic cops have the right to let you go with a warning. They don’t have the right to ask you for $100 before they let you go with a warning. Everyone should understand that.
Nichols is missing the point. The people watching on fox don’t care. They are happy to cling to any crap that exonerates Trump, no matter how nonsensical.
Oh, he gets it. Like he says, the Trump party is counting on their supporters being too stupid to get it.
Their supporters do. Not. Care. Being stupid is not required (though readily available)
Same difference? Being too stupid, or purposely ignoring facts. It’s all the same.
No. It isn’t. One is willful and deliberate. The other isn’t. The short-term difference may be negligible, but acting as if some revelation is going to change their minds is beyond naive.
It seems like every single day, someone in the politics forum wrings their hands that nothing Trump has done, or nothing in this impeachment proceeding will change the minds of Trump supporters and FOX viewers.
I will agree. Those 32-37% of the electorate are probably out of reach.
Yeah, but it’s not really about them. It’s about that soft middle, especially the swing voters who voted for him in 2016. That’s where the impact is.
I find it hard to believe there are people that are undecided, but there must be, since poll numbers continue to move.
Exactly as @Woolen_Horde says (beat me to it). Stressing over the others seems like a waste of time and energy
Carto
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If Nunes’ new plan is to throw Giuliani under the bus, I hope one of the Dems gets the chance to bring this up during the hearings.
Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, helped arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Rep. Devin Nunes in 2018, Parnas’ lawyer Ed MacMahon told The Daily Beast.
Nunes aide Derek Harvey participated in the meetings, the lawyer said, which were arranged to help Nunes’ investigative work. MacMahon didn’t specify what those investigations entailed
I’ve seen plenty of polling that says a majority of Americans think Trump should be impeached and removed from office. What I haven’t seen is whether or not those people will actually not vote for him if he’s the 2020 GOP nominee.
I think this is a crucial distinction. If Trump is removed, these voters still get Pence and their tax cuts and their judges. It’s not really much of a loss for them. But voting in the other party? Whew!
“I got bills to pay and a life to live. These congressional slackers need to do their jobs too. Oh, crap. This idiot is the GOP choice? Damn. Well, I ain’t happy about it, but ain’t no way I’m letting Pocahontas in the White House!”
If any conservative pundit/ writer is not naive about fucking Trump supporters, it’s Nichols. He knows exactly what they are. He’s not naive about these people.
I agree, that 45-48% of the electorate will not change their minds. Let’s hope many of them stay home.
Timex
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So I’ve been flying around the world for the past 25 hours.
Come back to see 300 posts in this thread… Is the long and short of it that Sondland threw everyone under the bus? Cause that’s what it looks like
Holmes is the guy who overheard the Sondland / Trump cell phone call. It was his testimony that IMO forced Sondland to acknowledge the scheme and implicate everyone including Trump. And his testimony in an open hearing will now corroborate and enlarge what Sondland said. Expect fireworks as Nunes and Jordan attack him.
Schiff is really managing this well. It’s a pity they didn’t start this process two years ago with the Trump / Russia matter.
Timex
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The big difference here is that Schiff is managing this like a prosecutor, and they are primarily using an actual lawyer instead of just having congressmen stand on their soap boxes.
