Founding Fathers Forum Game: A republic, if you can keep it.


Done. I have to say I love the father son dynamic we’ve got going here.


Yes with 12 votes


Your vote @Panzeh.


Jefferson votes no with 12 votes.


You’re up, @Ironsight


Yes with 12 votes. A tie right now with 24 yes and 24 no.

To you @Navaronegun


Yes with 7 votes, @CF_Kane


The first act of the Adams administration was to pass the Tariff Act of 1797, a reward for the voters in the Northern states that brought him to power. The Tariff Act of 1797 brought in additional revenue, but much less than the Tariff Acts of 1789 and 1794. Some warned that the United States was reaching the point of negative returns on tariffs, and would lose out on revenue if tariffs were increased again.

(Revenue +10, to 40. 1IP to Adams, to 2. 1 Popularity to Adams, JQA, to 14 and 7, respectively).

@Navaronegun, any other business before the first issue?


Nay, lets push on, @CF_Kane


@CF_Kane I believe J Adams gets 2 IP for the tariff so he has 3 IP total for his statesman?


I have 1IP in my notes. I will check the card as soon as I can to see if I mistyped.


The tracker says 2IP.


Yeah, but I thought J Adams had one before resolving the tariff.


He did have 1.


The first issue of the Adams Administration is one raised by the Northern liberal followers of Benjamin Franklin. Arguing that slavery is a stain on the American conscience, the anti-slavery liberals and quakers of Pennsylvania proposed a compensated emancipation plan. Substantial opposition to the plan existed in Congress, from both Southern members, who supported the peculiar institution, and from many Northern members, who felt that the emancipation plan violated the Constitution’s prohibition on ending the slave trade until 1808. Many also thought the cost was ruinous. Only a concerted effort from President Adams would be able to push an end to slavery through.

End Slavery is a difficulty 7 issue. If resolved, it increases public support for the Liberal party by 2, and reduces reserves by 200. If ignored, it had no effect. There is no popularity change either way.


“I hold this practice abhorrent personally and morally. This administration will not support the spread of the ‘peculiar institution’ not will it aid any of the States in their maintenance of it. But the compromises, promises and agreements made by these thirteen United States, made in good faithe, established a nation. I will not see that nation and its comity, forged in blood, destroyed by the strife, conflict and upheaval caused by the sudden imposition of the end by of the ‘peculiar institution’ by a tyranny of the slimmest of majorities.”

From Speech by John Adams in Pennsylvania, June, 1797.

Ignore, @CF_Kane


With the question of slavery off the table for the time being, the remainder of 1797 was largely uneventful. Early 1798 brought the first potentially new state to the union, as the people in the Kentucky territory requested admission to the union.

The admission of Kentucky is a difficulty 2 issue, resolved by the Secretary of State and Congress. It gives plus one popularity if successfully admitted. It is adjacent to Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, and provides 4/10/13 electoral votes in the three eras.

Also, @Ironsight is correct that I owe @Navaronegun an IP for the Tariff Act of 1797.

Over to @Navaronegun to appoint a Secretary of State or ignore.


One quick question, are we doing mortality checks on our issues?


Franklin bought the farm on the first Hand of Time card. Pretty sure the only Hand of Time card left to draw is the Sedition Act.


Yes. Only two hand of time cards in the first deck, Tax Rebellion and Sedition Acts.

Statesmen are primarily eliminated by retirement (after two terms or losing reelection as President).