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Was that on the same Gallup poll? Sheesh I can’t see in front of myself sometimes. Still I could have sworn someone on a show I saw mentioned the swing was much higher for liberal slant for, “35 and younger.” I mean that makes sense if true, but that chart doesn’t really make me feel like it’s, “much higher.” Further, it remains to be seen how many of those people will actually vote come next election day.

Oh that was last years.

Here is this years.

Not as much of a fan of this chart, formatting, not content.

That’s still much lower than I would have thought. It’s also depressing to see the conservative slant above 40. So is that generational? Age related? “I’ve got mine,” mentality?

People not understanding what conservative and liberal policies mean, combined with 40 years of attacks and propoganada on the term liberal.

Because, as noted, when you break down the policy level? People slant far more liberal. Many people are liberal, yet don’t actually know it.

For most of my life liberal was a dirty word and Democrats ran away from that label as fast and as hard as they could. The Reagan era had such a huge impact the ripples lasted years (literally everyone I knew liked that [censored], but I digress.) Since no one wanted to be in the ‘out’ group (or tribe I guess) it’s just safer to say “independent” or “moderate.” It was interesting being the only confessed liberal in the group of fellow poli sci majors my first two years in college. Back then though liberal[s] and conservatives could actually hold conversations. Times, they have changed.

But what does moderate even mean, really? “I’m concerned with the GDP to debt ratio”? (I think it really means “don’t tax me!”) Ironically to me moderates just seem supremely, I don’t know, pompous? Anyway.

I don’t usually watch him, but here’s a clip from Lawrence O’Donnell sharing a clip from the West Wing where the fictional presidential candidate (Jimmy Smits) proudly owns the liberal label (and some sage advice for Democrats on handling the “Socialist” trope, which by the way I saw Chuck Todd offhandedly use tonight without a second thought when labeling the liberal Democratic nominees.)

This based on polling. But does what people think they like actually translate to them voting that way? I don’t think so.

I dunno, didn’t somebody circulate a study some time ago which showed that voters know what the candidates stand for and generally cast their votes accordingly? The problem is so much of campaigns are devoted to a few fringe issues, so people are deciding on that basis.

Has anyone run on a platform of tax the wealth of the rich, tax very high incomes, lift the payroll tax cap, improve and expand both the value and the reach of social security and Medicare?

I think the issue here is that a given Republican voter might fully and 100% believe in higher corporate tax rates, a massive wealth tax, lift the Social Security caps, expand Medicaid or a Medicare for All option, free university for all, etc., but so long as Republicans are the party of Guns and God (that is, no restrictions to gun ownership and stoppin abortions, gays, and colored folk), they will always vote against the other 80% of their beliefs to support those.

That would suggest you could erode their power by trying to avoid those issues.

More easily said than done.

Republican candidate: My opponent will take away your guns.
Democratic candidate: Let’s talks about the need to strengthen Medicare.
Republican candidate: See?! My opponent won’t even deny that they’ll take away your guns.

So if the Dems granted republicans full autonomy on Guns and God the GOP would dissolve into the oneness that is the Democrats.

The GOP will claim God’s word is whatever they want it to be so it’s a moving target. You cannot resolve or erode topics that are ever shifting.

Or you could accept the fact that their position on those issues is evil and disenfranchise anyone who registers as a Republican :)

Well, we will see when they run out of money to buy guns who they vote for.

Clearly all Democratic candidates have to do is ride around in a tank to forestall any such complaints.

Tucker Carlson may be digging up that old chestnut of “locker room misogyny and rape culture”

I think I also read that the stuff released was just a small subset of the clips they have.

But, this isn’t “locker room talk” this was broadcast publicly. At least Trump could say he bragged about that stuff in private, trying to “one-up” the other guys in the locker room.

This was public.