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I think when it comes to many social and cultural issues that is true. But when it comes to spending money on projects that people don’t see as benefiting them, I am not so sure. People still think on the whole (I could be wrong as I have no studies to quote) that many things are not governments job and that the government shouldn’t be spending on those things. And for most that means things that don’t effect them directly. There are still a lot of people who consider themselves in the middle. Of course I think that as the GOP has gone further right more people actually are in the middle.


We have one here, and as it is the 10pm news station I usually watch it. The content you site is really a pretty small part of what they do, but I will admit the “Terrorist Desk” and some of the programs they show at 8:30 on Sunday’s is pretty right leaning.


tbf, most TV news shows show Terrorist Desk.



There will always be a conservative mindset. But conservative as an ideology has changed even under Trump, and many of the traditional talking points that were probably, “rated,” by that panel are talking points that don’t consider the change in demographic and points that should be considered moderate when previously they were not.

In defense of actual conservative mindset, the biggest shift has actually been from independents and democrats now saying, “I’m self recognize myself as liberal,” than any major change within the Republican party and current self recognized conservatives.

The shift in graph form:

But also the shift entirely toward U.S. population majority taking what we perceive as traditional liberal viewpoints (regardless of what they think they are.)

I’m going to block quote here and apologies to the actual writers of that article. Pay attention to the percentages of some of these answers:

The Economy

  • 82 percent of Americans think wealthy people have too much power and influence in Washington.
  • 69 percent think large businesses have too much power and influence in Washington.
  • 59 percent—and 72 percent of likely voters—think Wall Street has too much power and influence in Washington.
  • 78 percent of likely voters support stronger rules and enforcement on the financial industry.
  • 65 percent of Americans think our economic system “unfairly favors powerful interests.”
  • 59 percent of Americans—and 43 percent of Republicans—think corporations make “too much profit.”


  • 82 percent of Americans think economic inequality is a “very big” (48 percent) or “moderately big” (34 percent) problem. Even 69 percent of Republicans share this view.
  • 66 percent of Americans think money and wealth should be distributed more evenly.
  • 72 percent of Americans say it is “extremely” or “very” important, and 23 percent say it is “somewhat important,” to reduce poverty.
  • 59 percent of registered voters—and 51 percent of Republicans—favor raising the maximum amount that low-wage workers can make and still be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, from $14,820 to $18,000.

Money in Politics

  • 96 percent of Americans—including 96 percent of Republicans—believe money in politics is to blame for the dysfunction of the U.S. political system.
  • 84 percent of Americans—including 80 percent of Republicans—believe money has too much influence in politics.
  • 78 percent of Americans say we need sweeping new laws to reduce the influence of money in politics.
  • 73 percent of registered voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision.


  • 80 percent of Americans think some corporations don’t pay their fair share of taxes.
  • 78 percent think some wealthy people don’t pay their fair share of taxes.
  • 76 percent believe the wealthiest Americans should pay higher taxes.
  • 60 percent of registered voters believe corporations pay too little in taxes.
  • 87 percent of Americans say it is critical to preserve Social Security, even if it means increasing Social Security taxes paid by wealthy Americans.
  • 67 percent of Americans support lifting the cap to require higher-income workers to pay Social Security taxes on all of their wages.

Minimum Wage

  • 66 percent of Americans favor raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.
  • 59 percent favor raising the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
  • 48 percent support raising the national minimum wage to $15 an hour. (A survey of registered voters found that 54 percent favored a $15 minimum wage.)
  • 63 percent of registered voters think the minimum wage should be adjusted each year by the rate of inflation.

Workers’ Rights

  • 61 percent of Americans—including 42 percent of Republicans—approve of labor unions.
  • 74 percent of registered voters—including 71 percent of Republicans—support requiring employers to offer paid parental and medical leave.
  • 78 percent of likely voters favor establishing a national fund that offers all workers 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave.

Health Care

  • 60 percent of Americans believe “it is the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.”
  • 60 percent of registered voters favor “expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American.”
  • 58 percent of the public favors replacing Obamacare with “a federally funded healthcare program providing insurance for all Americans.”
  • 64 percent of registered voters favor their state accepting the Obamacare plan for expanding Medicaid in their state.


  • 63 percent of registered voters—including 47 percent of Republicans—of Americans favor making four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free.
  • 59 percent of Americans favor free early-childhood education.

Climate Change and the Environment

  • 76 percent of voters are “very concerned” or “somewhat concerned” about climate change.
  • 68 percent of voters think it is possible to protect the environment and protect jobs.
  • 72 percent of voters think it is a “bad idea” to cut funding for scientific research on the environment and climate change.
  • 59 percent of voters say more needs to be done to address climate change.

Gun Safety

  • 84 percent of Americans support requiring background checks for all gun buyers.
  • 77 percent of gun owners support requiring background checks for all gun buyers.

Criminal Justice

  • 57 percent of Americans believe police officers generally treat blacks and other minorities differently than they treat whites.
  • 60 percent of Americans believe the recent killings of black men by police are part of a broader pattern of how police treat black Americans (compared with 39 percent who believe they are isolated incidents).


  • 68 percent of Americans—including 48 percent of Republicans—believe the country’s openness to people from around the world “is essential to who we are as a nation.” Just 29 percent say that “if America is too open to people from all over the world, we risk losing our identity as a nation.”
  • 65 percent of Americans—including 42 percent of Republicans—say immigrants strengthen the country “because of their hard work and talents.” Just 26 percent say immigrants are a burden “because they take our jobs, housing and health care.”
  • 64 percent of Americans think an increasing number of people from different races, ethnic groups, and nationalities makes the country a better place to live. Only 5 percent say it makes the United States a worse place to live, and 29 percent say it makes no difference.
  • 76 percent of registered voters—including 69 percent of Republicans—support allowing undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children (Dreamers) to stay in the country. 58 percent think Dreamers should be allowed to stay and become citizens if they meet certain requirements. Another 18 percent think they should be allowed to stay and become legal residents, but not citizens. Only 15 percent think they should be removed or deported from the country.

Abortion and Women’s Health

  • 58 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases.
  • 68 percent of Americans—including 54 percent of Republicans—support the requirement for private health insurance plans to cover the full cost of birth control.

Same-Sex Marriage

  • 62 percent of Americans—including 70 percent of independents and 40 percent of Republicans—support same-sex marriage.
  • 74 percent of millennials (born after 1981) support same-sex marriage.


There are some really nice graphs with some of these. Thank you.


This is some great work you’ve done here, thanks!


So let’s pass an Amendment.


The 4% have the money and power in politics and are hell bent set to prevent it.


Not my work, but thank you guys for the comments. I had gone to view the Gallup information after an NPR story but was searching for a broader view of the data as well which led to the Pew studies.

One stated fact I couldn’t find was I had read somewhere the skew of Conservatives to Liberals younger than 35 years of age. Sadly I can’t find that article now.


Was it something like this you were looking for?


Was that on the same Gallup poll? Sheesh I can’t see in front of myself sometimes. Still I could have sworn someone on a show I saw mentioned the swing was much higher for liberal slant for, “35 and younger.” I mean that makes sense if true, but that chart doesn’t really make me feel like it’s, “much higher.” Further, it remains to be seen how many of those people will actually vote come next election day.


Oh that was last years.

Here is this years.

Not as much of a fan of this chart, formatting, not content.


That’s still much lower than I would have thought. It’s also depressing to see the conservative slant above 40. So is that generational? Age related? “I’ve got mine,” mentality?


People not understanding what conservative and liberal policies mean, combined with 40 years of attacks and propoganada on the term liberal.

Because, as noted, when you break down the policy level? People slant far more liberal. Many people are liberal, yet don’t actually know it.


For most of my life liberal was a dirty word and Democrats ran away from that label as fast and as hard as they could. The Reagan era had such a huge impact the ripples lasted years (literally everyone I knew liked that [censored], but I digress.) Since no one wanted to be in the ‘out’ group (or tribe I guess) it’s just safer to say “independent” or “moderate.” It was interesting being the only confessed liberal in the group of fellow poli sci majors my first two years in college. Back then though liberal[s] and conservatives could actually hold conversations. Times, they have changed.

But what does moderate even mean, really? “I’m concerned with the GDP to debt ratio”? (I think it really means “don’t tax me!”) Ironically to me moderates just seem supremely, I don’t know, pompous? Anyway.

I don’t usually watch him, but here’s a clip from Lawrence O’Donnell sharing a clip from the West Wing where the fictional presidential candidate (Jimmy Smits) proudly owns the liberal label (and some sage advice for Democrats on handling the “Socialist” trope, which by the way I saw Chuck Todd offhandedly use tonight without a second thought when labeling the liberal Democratic nominees.)


This based on polling. But does what people think they like actually translate to them voting that way? I don’t think so.


I dunno, didn’t somebody circulate a study some time ago which showed that voters know what the candidates stand for and generally cast their votes accordingly? The problem is so much of campaigns are devoted to a few fringe issues, so people are deciding on that basis.

Has anyone run on a platform of tax the wealth of the rich, tax very high incomes, lift the payroll tax cap, improve and expand both the value and the reach of social security and Medicare?


I think the issue here is that a given Republican voter might fully and 100% believe in higher corporate tax rates, a massive wealth tax, lift the Social Security caps, expand Medicaid or a Medicare for All option, free university for all, etc., but so long as Republicans are the party of Guns and God (that is, no restrictions to gun ownership and stoppin abortions, gays, and colored folk), they will always vote against the other 80% of their beliefs to support those.


That would suggest you could erode their power by trying to avoid those issues.


More easily said than done.

Republican candidate: My opponent will take away your guns.
Democratic candidate: Let’s talks about the need to strengthen Medicare.
Republican candidate: See?! My opponent won’t even deny that they’ll take away your guns.