Bleep Qualcomm right in their Qualcomm-hole

[stusser]

Holy fuckballs, there are 185 more of you?!

[wumpus]

I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this, but Qualcomm really sucks.

[stusser]

I feel like it’s come up.

[Ephraim]

You should link them to this thread, if you haven’t already. It’s the current best of breed discussion of how much Qualcomm should get fucked, and if they want to surpass it, they’ll need to know what they’re up against.

[wumpus]

@wumpus

You could cut iPhone 7 performance in half and it would still outperform 95% of the Android devices on the market. Literally, not figuratively. Look at the actual graphs of perf as well; the type of throttling discussed is usually much less impactful than 50% of perf.

Hey look at that @sharaleo

browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/

iPhone X, 86.3
OnePlus 5, Chrome 63, 33.1

iPhone X in low power mode, 55

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Even in low power mode, the iPhone 8/X is almost 1.7 times faster than a Snapdragon 835 device. So this means the iPhone 7 would be faster as well in low power mode and the iPhone 6s would be neck and neck in low power mode (estimating, I’d need to check).

[KevinC]

Not quite the threshold needed for fucks to be given. For now my fucks shall remain stowed in my cool and dry fuck pantry.

[wumpus]

@wumpus

and the iPhone 6s would be neck and neck in low power mode (estimating, I’d need to check).

Almost! iPhone 6s is 42 regular and 22 on low power battery saver mode. So for iPhone 7 and later, even running with one arm conceptually tied behind their backs in battery saver mode they are fucking destroying Qualcomm in perf.

This shit is just sad.

[Chappers]

All this still has zero noticeable effect on real world scenarios, that is all.

[wumpus]

Sure, if you only use your phone to check email, then performance is basically irrelevant beyond what a Snapdragon 835 can deliver. But if you use your phone to browse the modern web, which is lousy with tons of JavaScript and getting lousier with it by the second, then it is intensely relevant.

[Chappers]

This is incorrect, I posted numerous YouTube videos comparing the speed of iPhone X v any new Android and there was no real difference in both opening apps and loading webpages.

Here is the first YouTube hit comparing the X to my current phone:

[wumpus]

Hmm, let’s check earlier in the topic:

Bleep Qualcomm right in their Qualcomm-hole

That’s just one place; what about photo processing? Launching apps? Opening attachments? Literally everything you do on the device is faster when the CPU is faster. For example, per Tom’s Hardware: [image] Also The iPhone 8 also opened more demanding apps faster than its predecessor and the top Android phone right now, although those differences were less dramatic. It took the iPhone 8 11 seconds to fully load the Injustice 2 game, compared to 14.53 seconds for the iPhone 7 Plus and 19 sec…

Speaking of initial app load times, here’s a video still from an iPhone X vs Samsung Galaxy 8:

Definitely fair to note that round 2 the X is gonna lose, 6gb of RAM vs 3gb is a fair thing to complain to Apple about. But hey, look at that: 167 seconds vs 286 seconds, almost twice as fast! Like I’ve been saying…

As I already mentioned on the web page load youtube tests:

@wumpus

Weird, per the video it looked like DNS resolution times were off, since it took forever to even get the websites to begin the process of loading – they weren’t loading at all on the Apple device, just many seconds sitting waiting staring at the stalled address bar for the site to resolve. I do know Apple devices are super horny for ipv6, so if his local network had ipv6 issues, or the ipv4 worked but ipv6 did not, you’d see extreme weirdness.

And

@wumpus

I tend to favor the guys who run the webpagetest service here:

Last time I did side by side with iPhone 8 and OnePlus 5 in Discourse, it was reasonably close – but remember that we set the slowdevice flag on Android and only send down half the topics / replies. So essentially, if you halve the work, Android can get close. There’s that 2x again! That number keeps coming up, man!

On a page like /categories which is exactly the same on both devices regardless of the slowdevice flag, it was substantially slower on the OnePlus 5 to render.

It is fair to note that iPhone 6s speed is “acceptable” and that’s kinda-sorta roughly what the Snapdragon 835 delivers, maybe within 20% of. Depends what you are looking at, but I can agree that “close to iPhone 6s” is an accurate overall characterization, and that’s not a slow device per se. It’s just thoroughly mediocre by 2018 standards

[Chappers]

Throwing a bunch of charts in ideal conditions is not a counterargument. I’m still stating that the majority (probably 95% + of all users) will find no noticeable difference using their phones day to day. So whether iPhone X or snapdragon no discernable difference. Phones are plenty quick for the average user today.

[Fishbreath]

My Android phone is only appreciably slowed, in terms of end-user experience that isn’t limited by network latency, by websites which load JavaScript from four ad networks and half a dozen analytics frameworks. The modern web may be lousy with JavaScript, but 98% of it is useless crap that needs to die anyway.

[Ginger_Yellow]

@Wumpus will be happy

[wumpus]

Can’t read it, behind a paywall, but:

Subscribe to the FT to read: Qualcomm set to be censured by European antitrust watchdog

[Ginger_Yellow]

It’s specifically about the arrangement they had with Apple re: LTE chips.

Anyway, it’s official now, so here’s the EC itself.

The European Commission has fined Qualcomm €997m for abusing its market dominance in LTE baseband chipsets. Qualcomm prevented rivals from competing in the market by making significant payments to a key customer on condition it would not buy from rivals. This is illegal under EU antitrust rules.

Commissioner Margrethe Vestager, in charge of competition policy, said: "Qualcomm illegally shut out rivals from the market for LTE baseband chipsets for over five years, thereby cementing its market dominance. Qualcomm paid billions of US Dollars to a key customer, Apple, so that it would not buy from rivals. These payments were not just reductions in price – they were made on the condition that Apple would exclusively use Qualcomm’s baseband chipsets in all its iPhones and iPads.

This meant that no rival could effectively challenge Qualcomm in this market, no matter how good their products were. Qualcomm’s behaviour denied consumers and other companies more choice and innovation – and this in a sector with a huge demand and potential for innovative technologies. This is illegal under EU antitrust rules and why we have taken today’s decision."

[legowarrior]

Shit, real men us Reddit for only one thing -

https://www.reddit.com/r/trebuchetmemes

Because fuck catapults!

[claybob]

I’m keeping my catapult and skipping trebuchets until cannons come out.

[wumpus]

Snapdragon 845 numbers have leaked. And here’s a second confirmation.

So, roughly:

Snapdragon 821, ~1600-1700
Snapdragon 835, ~1800-1900
Snapdragon 845, ~2300-2400

At least this time it’s a reasonable bump in perf, so I give this an obama-not-bad.gif – for context Qualcomm has finally and legitimately reached iPhone 6s levels of performance.

Welcome to 2015, gentlemen.

[legowarrior]

Cannons are the worst!