Certainly, although the are certain contracts which require participation by a business owned by one of the groups, or certain organizations have requirements that a certain percentage of their contracts go to such groups, or a certain amount of their budget funds contacts held by such groups, etc.

It’s an extension of the small business administration, which generally does a lot of good stuff. The SBIR program, for instance, is a great program for fostering new innovation and starting new business and industries.

I don’t need to relate the content and context of every single article from every single website or blog and deconstruct it for you. On a different, tangentially related subject, on Huffpost they have a graph of falling oil prices in their business section. The next line following the graphic says “Cheaper gas is a boon to Americans who live from paycheck to paycheck (most Americans, in other words),”. That’s the most important thing they have to say about the matter. I’ll let you deconstruct the sociopolitical views of Huffpost Business from that one line, and you’ll not be far wrong.

While using Salon as an example is a bit like shooting ducks in a barrel, with wonderfully non-clickbaity titles such as Why acknowledging white privilege is not surrendering to “white guilt”, or White privilege: An insidious virus that’s eating America from within you get some wonderful articles from Andrew O’Hehir with such gems as “Recognizing the historic burden of whiteness is not self-abasement or lame apology. It’s the pathway to freedom” and then in the same article, several paragraphs down “Discussions of white privilege, this person went on, never pointed toward practical solutions and only served “to make white people feel weird.” You get an A for effort, my friend, but I have some news for you: White people already feel weird. There could be no better word for the bitter, angry and divisive internal politics of America’s white majority.” After theorizing that “Much of the weirdness, self-hatred and general know-nothing misanthropy of white America, in my view, boils down to a deep-seated desire to be free of the burden of history, a desire not to have to be white anymore.” he concludes that the people most obsessed with White Guilt are those who feel the most guilty. In the virus article, he goes around Ferguson as the headline act of a countless series of historical injustices to conclude “the virus of white privilege survives by convincing its host organism that it does not exist.”

Of course there’s something to be gained from these the Salon articles. For one, White Privilege means in the liberal technosphere, a very specific thing; White Privilege vs. Black Underprivileged. Although there are exceptions, by and large this is seen as a white v black framework of discussion. There aren’t many articles about privilege vs Hispanics, Native American, or other ethnic groups, although they do exist on smaller more frontline progressive blogs. But the other is that White Privilege is more a matter of identity politics; what is important is to accept this as axiomatic because that’s the how the conversation is framed. As Joan Walsh, former Editor-in-Chief for Salon, says in her article about the O’Reilly vs Stewart “debate” that the real problem with O’Reilly was that he failed to show empathy. “We’re not going to convince O’Reilly and his demographic. We have to out-organize, out-vote and out-live them” is her advice. Do you really want to be a shitbag Republican racist like Hannity and O’Reilly? Of course you don’t. You accept White Privilege the way that they frame it because it is the right thing to do.

Of course once the framework changes the conversation stops. That’s why the articles pinning the death of Eric Garner on this sort of white privilege thing, like Ferguson, immediately dried up and vanished when the two police officers murdered afterwords were non-white and De Blassio’s comments created a firestorm of controversy among the entire undivided NYPD leading to they more or less twice turning their backs on him symbolically, as well as the slow spread of information that the NYPD is a much more ethnically diverse force. When things can’t be squeezed into the predetermined framework there’s nothing left to say. In modern day political conversation the conclusions look for evidence but are not dependent upon them, a problem liberal and conservative media alike fall into.

Because nuance is thus impossible if you are a white person on this matter I must rely on others to do the nuance for me. In a response to Ta-Nahesi Coates’s memoir at Atlantic.com, he wrote about his feeling he had ‘privileged’ (in the greater context of black underprivileged) childhood thanks to his family, teachers, siblings and friends that pushed and encouraged him to excel. In the New York Times interview with Naomi Zack, a philosopher in the area of race, she points out the well understood problem of black attainment vs. white attainment. “Young black men are the convenient target of choice in the tragic intersection of the broken windows policy, the domestic effects of the war on terror and police racial profiling.” “What’s happening now in Ferguson is the crystallization of our grief. Don’t Shoot!”. But she also agrees with me (and others in this thread) about the nature of the way “privilege” is being used: “The term “white privilege” is misleading. A privilege is special treatment that goes beyond a right. It’s not so much that being white confers privilege but that not being white means being without rights in many cases. Not fearing that the police will kill your child for no reason isn’t a privilege. It’s a right.” She also drops a Frantz Fanon quote, which brings to mind my recent (internal) musings about possible sideways relationships between progressivism today and post-colonial academia (often socialist or postmodern) from the 60s. Arguing that a spectrum of privilege exists is possible for certain people.

You seem to think that me arguing about the context of White Privilege in these increasingly politically polarized times is my being offended about being ‘called out’ on my privilege. I think the problem with modern African Americans began when the Radical Reconstructionist Republicans abandoned the South and allowed the Redeemers to take over, before even Jim Crow. You think White Privilege is a self evident truth that only a racist would deny. I think that actually White Privilege is an almost-misused (not entirely!) term to reflect specific white/black socioeconomic relationships and outcomes at best, and political blackjack to beat over someone else’s head who disagrees with you at worst.

Black stereotyping is terrible, especially when done by the police. Black men commit half the murders in the country. Black men are incarcerated at higher rates for similar crimes than whites. Black persons are arrested for about 28% of all violent crimes, including over 50% for robbery. The wealth gap is increasing between white and blacks in America. More than half of all black children live in one-parent households, when studies purport to show the single most important factor in social mobility is having a two parent household.

The question of how best to address black disenfranchisement is a complex one. Maybe bashing people over the head with concepts like White Privilege is useful. Lord knows the Millennial generation seems astonished to a find a world beyond the end of their nose.

Where are those regulations and quotas stipulated? Everything I’ve seen seems to be meant to include businesses (which must meet capability and efficiency standards as well) in the selection process that otherwise could have been frozen out for prejudicial reasons or just because they were not powerful enough to have the right connections to get their foot in the door.

I’m not even saying they don’t exist, but I would say that it’d be bad if they did. Requiring companies to at least consider minority candidates and requiring the government to at least consider companies run by minorities or less well connected people is itself enough to get minorities into play where they otherwise might have been prejudicially frozen out. They still have to be competitive candidates.

In Canada we actually do have quotas and hiring requirements based on race, gender and disabilities (again only really covers government employment or government regulated employment, and only in organizations of 100+). I don’t really think there’s anything like that in the US. Maybe at the state level?

I believe that from the spa site i linked, you can see the information on the programs for different groups, and how they work. You will have to dig through some legalese to get the details, but a decent overview can be had. Here is the one focused on contract support for businesses owned by women and economically disadvantaged women.

Again, this is kind of different from the hiring quotas you mention. Although such requirements do exist for certain organizations.

Did you mean to say that such programs such as the ones run through the SPA are bad, or was that a typo?

At least in Texas, they referred to as HUBs- Historically Underutilized Businesses:

[quote=]What is a HUB?
A HUB is defined as a business formed for the purpose of making a profit and is otherwise a legally recognized business organization under the laws of the State of Texas in which at least 51 percent of the business is owned, operated, and controlled by one or more:

Black Americans - includes all persons having origins of Black racial groups of Africa;
Hispanic Americans - includes all person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South America, or other Spanish/Portuguese culture or origin, regardless of race;
Asian Pacific Americans - includes persons whose origins are from Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philippines, Samoa, Guam, the U.S. Territories of the Pacific, or the Northern Marianas; and Subcontinent Asian Americans which includes persons who origins are from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, or Nepal;
Native Americans - includes persons who are American Indians, Eskimos, Aleuts, or Native Hawaiians; and
American Women - includes women of any ethnicity, except those specified above;
who are economically disadvantaged and who have been historically underutilized because of their identification as members of these groups. Eligible entities must have their principal place of business located in Texas where the majority HUB owner(s) makes the decisions, controls the daily operations of the organization, and participates in the business. The qualifying owners must be residents of the State of Texas.

HUB Participation Goals
The Texas Legislature requires all state agencies to make a good faith effort to assist HUBs in receiving a portion of the total contract value of all contracts that the agency expects to award in a fiscal year. The statewide HUB goals for the State of Texas are:

11.2% – Construction
21.1% – Building Construction
32.7% – Special Trades
23.6% – Professional Services
24.6% – Other Services
21% – Commodities
In pursuit of these goals, DARS is committed to increasing opportunities for HUBs. Qualifying minority and women owned businesses are strongly encouraged to apply to be certified as a HUB through the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts (CPA).[/quote]

I wouldn’t say that there aren’t racial divisions in the NYPD. The Black police officers support De Blasio, and I saw this the other day:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223

Again having goals and assisting companies and individuals be in a position where they can be considered for a contract or job is not the same as having a quota. On the one hand you are providing equality of opportunity but the final selection is still based on merit, on the other hand you have a requirement that must be met even if there are more qualified options.

e.g. for the Texas HUBs, a good faith effort does not mean giving special consideration to HUBs, it means giving EQUAL consideration to HUBs, and the goals are modest and realistic, and in the interest of getting better economic value out of the population at large.

Regarding quotas and positive discrimination: while quotas in the overall workforce are perhaps too blunt an instrument, and the problem is better addressed through help for education towards minorities, penalizing discrimination and creating laws so that women are treated equally as men through maternity (for example, allowing the father to also take the maternity leave to avoid the employer selecting men over women), there’s a place where I think quotas are reasonable: management. Or basically any leadership position that is not meritocratic but based on social/community influence.

While regular employment is mostly an offer/demand issue, and changes in the base can help representation in the workforce, management posts are not necessarily granted through merit but through personal relationships (since a lot of a managers job is to handle these relationships indeed). Therefore, underrepresented minorities in management will tend to still be underrepresented even if the workforce representation is fixed (since current managers will tend to choose those close to them, which, at least when talking about gender misrepresentation, will mean they will tend to select those that are like them. It’s a mild form of nepotism that in this case makes business sense. The person thought of as the best is chosen, but it’s thought of as the best because of personal proximity). I think in this case a quota is a good complement to the more rational policies of attacking the problem at the base.

See, for example, proposed (or has it already passed) German quota law, that specifically points at management positions.

One program I think is interesting is the UK “two ticks” system - basically, companies (mostly large ones, Universities, etc.) which voluntarily subscribe to it promise to give disabled candidates who meet all the essential criteria for the job an interview.

(And the UK definition of disability is very broad these days - I’d qualify due to my dyslexia, for example)

LOL that racist got so mad he wrote a book report about Salon articles in a #GamerGate thread.

En- I’m absolutely not going to discuss this further with you, by the way, given that this is a GamerGate thread and also I’m not really sure what civil and reasoned discourse is possible with someone who appears to believe that the Eric Garner outrage “dried up” after the anti-white liberal media realized they couldn’t smear the NYPD as racist once the facts came out, plus De Blasio’s anti-cop comments turned the NYPD against him:

That’s why the articles pinning the death of Eric Garner on this sort of white privilege thing, like Ferguson, immediately dried up and vanished when the two police officers murdered afterwords were non-white and De Blassio’s comments created a firestorm of controversy among the entire undivided NYPD leading to they more or less twice turning their backs on him symbolically, as well as the slow spread of information that the NYPD is a much more ethnically diverse force.

Real ear to the ground guy over here.

But for the other people in this thread, speaking of Salon:

I get the impression that a lot of the #GG people really aren’t that into politics and this thing ended up being a weird invasion by Breitbart/Salon types who seized on the e-drama to get back into the same old culture war battles(you can see, quite explicitly, on Stormfront and Voice for Men etc., that those people saw #GG as a recruiting opportunity).

So just to maybe bring Timex/Alstein/Desslock up to speed, the whole “white privilege is incontrovertible fact, LouisCKbit, etc.” vs. “But it makes me feel bad for being white, something something divisiveness, just don’t mention anything about it” debate has been raging in the larger outside world for a minute now.

I can see you’re worth the time.

I was more taking about how the narrative about the NYPD issues changed on tone in the media.

Ok rather than getting into what would definitely be a hilarious attempt at you writing another book report about how “the media”(the Post?) changed their tone after Di Blasio made cops angry by (and note that this is a recurring theme) accurately describing reality

To the extent people now generally avoid going full Stormfront in public, we get this idea that everyone opposes racism. Certainly very few people will admit to being a white nationalist, everyone will say that they personally oppose racism. Most people will even go so far as to acknowledge that in America today, black people suffer from racism. Then there’s this weird disconnect, because often those same people will go on to say that people shouldn’t talk about white privilege because the easily offended will think they are getting called racist or there’s an implication of a demand for reparations or whatever and then feel threatened and not help.

So, uh, how does it get better? If racism is a real problem, but the only people who should get called racist are open and admitted Klan members… who is doing the racism that still needs to get solved? You can find and replace with sexism, homophobia, whatever. Westboro Baptist Church ruining their funeral is not the #1 problem facing gay people today, it’s actually the insidious every day life they face, often unconsciously.

If the majority shouldn’t be criticized because they’ll be less invested in helping the minority, that they need their feelings coddled to such an extent that people need to tone down the incredibly mild social commentary in VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM… What is that then, a ransom demand? “We’ll stop being so sexist the moment feminists stop complaining?” -Everyone who is sexist, which is actually very few people, maybe just a fringe of goons and 8channers who aren’t even sexist, they’re just trolling???

Privilege is some legal/explicit bias stuff, but it’s also cultural. If you’re a generically handsome 37 year old white dude with short brown hair, you can skip the character customization screen if you want the protagonist to look like you in pretty much, oh, every game.

White is the default. Male is the default. Heterosexual is the default. Bioware gets backlash/praise for adding gay romance options, but nobody would ever get backlash for adding straight romance options, because straight romance options are the DEFAULT. There’s no chance anyone would make a vanilla AAA RPG and out of the box have the romantic potential be exclusively gay, you do that and it’d be a thing. You wouldn’t be the vanilla AAA RPG with romance options, you’d be that homo game.

If you’re a generically handsome 37 year old white dude with short brown hair, you can skip the character customization screen if you want the protagonist to look like you in pretty much, oh, every game.

Technically, I don’t believe this is generally the case.

Most games involve a race selection prior to the cosmetic feature selection. So, in cases where you aren’t picking a human race, you’re going to start out with character who doesn’t look as you describe because it’s not even human.

However, even when you select human as a race in modern games, the initial cosmetic look of your character is randomized in order to prevent a ton of characters looking identical if they skip the customization. Generally, gender itself is also randomized.

So now I can’t even talk about the “mid-30s generically handsome grizzled white guys with short brown hair” trope without getting #actuallyed? Come on. The actual mechanics of an individual games selection screen isn’t really the point, now, is it?

I don’t remember the exact sequence of keys you press when you start a game of ME3, but I do know the box looks like this:

Guess the RNG just ended up with the same Shepard on all three boxes, huh?

That’s an interesting argument for having a non-Human protagonist.

But I won’t pursue that further here, no point of course with you. You view it as wierd etc. so…