Timex
2901
THat article about the PC Master Race joke is kind of dumb…
I mean, if people understand that it’s a joke, then I’m sorry… but if someone is so thin skinned and sensitive as to be offended by it, then that’s kind of on them.
You’re never going to achieve some kind of ridiculous utopia where nothing offends anyone, ever, and everyone always feels perfectly comfortable… unless you implement some kind of Huxlean word where we all drug ourselves up.
Now, it’s cool to try and be nice to folks, and consider their sensitivities… but there comes a point where someone’s just looking for crap to be offended about. And I think that if someone is saying they’re offended by the “PC Master Race” joke, then they’ve crossed that line to where they’re just looking for shit to bitch about.
At the same time, I also kind of agree that going to the trouble to bitch about the article, and make sure no one clicks through it, is also kind of in the same boat of “bitches looking to bitch about shit”.
Quaro
2903
From the author’s twitter:
I just woke up and there are over 700 comments on my article from yesterday, and at the same time people saying I’m censoring the comments.
Hi new feed people. So, if you read the thing I wrote: I’m cool with the PCMR joke. It was funny for a little while. Nazis.
I’d just rather PC gaming not be synonymous with Nazi memes, you know?
We’ve repeated it unironically for so long that it’s just becoming our identity—not a one-off joke anymore.
I never said I was “offended” or “outraged,” or that jokes are bad, or that you can’t say words.
I didn’t call for anything to be banned. I suggested that we’ve chosen a poor way to represent ourselves.
Just noting that, despite its origins, the phrase itself has to do with Nazis.
I didn’t tell anyone to be offended, or say I was offended. I think it’s a dumb meme.
I think that there are better ways to define ourselves than with an old meme
Personally I never had a problem with it until just now, when the ‘master race’ subculture reacted like total assholes. Now I don’t like PC Gaming being synonymous with being an asshole.
Can’t argue with that, but it’s a good demonstration of why games+identity politics is combination equivalent to sticking your honey coated dick in a hornets nest these days, especially when this nest contains 302,240 hornets.
That’s sort of how I feel now. I never cared about the “PC Master Race” meme and I think the PC Gamer article is silly, but seeing the reaction makes me not want to be a part of it.
Timex
2906
The thing that’s funny about the whole GG thing, and all these related offshoots, is that its almost like the side that is the loudest ends up looking the worst. Both sides of the “debate” (if you can even call a shrill screaming match a debate) seem like they’re actively trying to make themselves appear as bad as possible.
You’ve got GG folks who are freaking out and threatening people with death and rape… and then you’ve got anti-GG folks who are shrieking about how anyone criticizing them are rapists and thugs.
I think that’s why most normal folks don’t really give a fuck about any of it. It’s like watching a slap-fight.
YOU PERSONALLY were upset, dude, what’s with the passive voice? You rushed to this thread to play victim. Did you get a little too emotionally invested in the martyr act to think that through?
In the article that hurt playingwithknives so much he needed to deny PC Gamer their clicks, the following paragraph appears:
It began as a joke from Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw, who was mocking our elitist attitude with the internet’s favorite analogy: the Nazi analogy. That was seven years ago, but the phrase is still everywhere, said without any consideration (or perhaps understanding) of the historical context, without any consideration of the original context, and without any of the original self-mockery. It worked as a hyperbolic joke when it was first said as a hyperbolic joke, and I did think it was a little funny to embrace the criticism ironically—for a moment. Now it’s just moldy cardboard that a lot of PC gamers hold up as their identity, and it’s getting uncomfortable
You were so eager to play victim, to be offended, you didn’t even read the article you were complaining about?
Timex- You’re making such excellent points, but I wonder, maybe a GamerGate supporter/Darren Wilson defender/reactionary such as yourself may not have his finger on the pulse of the “normal folks”.
Let’s see if ABC’s Nightline focused on how much your feelings got hurt because asssholes got called mean names:
Maybe it’s a the first of many, and they’ll do another part about how your feelings got hurt by Leigh Alexander cause she called you a loser? Because it doesn’t really seem like the “normal folks” at network news seem to take your bullshit faux-equivalence #GG defense.
Timex
2910
Why do you keep suggesting that I am defending people? I don’t even know who Darren Wilson is.
I’m not sure what you hope to achieve by attempting to misclassify people as being advocates for things, other than perhaps some strange need to create targets for your anger. But even that seems weird, since it just means you are shrieking at the wrong people.
Oh, and to be clear before you freak out further, there is no equivalence between people who are doxxing authors, or threatening them with violence, and even the most obnoxious of the anti-gg folks. But when you consistently behave so poorly, you do not earn support for your position. Your reactions to me throughout the past few pages, when I’m not even a supporter of gamer gate, illustrates this. You have constructed a fiction in your mind, and then vicously attacked it, serving really no purpose at all. It just made you, and by association your position, look bad.
You don’t know who Darren Wilson is? Is the Timex Qt3 account a collective art project of some sort where you are not the only person who uses it, like sweden’s Twitter thing?
Timex
2912
Oh, the cop, I’m sorry I thought you were taking about some guy related to gamer gate. I don’t understand the leap here.
You aren’t the first person in this thread to try this line, but I’m not sure how you think this reflects poorly on me.
So what you’re saying is that there exist people, possibly including you, who value tolerance, diversity, and inclusiveness… but if they are exposed to a rude feminist, well, that’s the end of that and now they won’t support equal pay? And you think that, in some manner, reflects poorly on the feminist?
Who are these people out there who are so immensely petty that they change their ideological/policy views based on temporarily bruised feelings?
It’s transparent. What you and playingwithknives want is for people to not call you, or groups/views you identify with, mean names. And as I said earlier, that simply is not on the table. People’s honest opinions that things are sexist or racist or problematic in anyway are not going to be censored so you can feel better about being a cretin.
Virgil Hilts: not emotionally invested.
Did I say I wasn’t? Yes, Desslock calling me a race traitor made me angry. Yes, people defending GamerGate(and then trying, hilariously, to act as if they aren’t) makes me angry. People posting Breitbart just makes me smile, though. Breitbart!
I’m not pretending I’m some above-it-all chill bro having a laugh. pwk is. While there’s a lot of humor in #GamerGate, it’s often dark and sad humor, at the expense of people who are deeply deluded and troubled. This isn’t light subject matter, treating it as a trivial matter isn’t appropriate.
Timex
2916
Virgil, people are unlikely to change their opinions on large issues based on interactions with you if you are incredibly obnoxious. Obviously, they aren’t going to suddenly become racist because you acted like an ass while saying racism is bad. But for more nuanced issues, of which you are trying to convince them, simply acting like a civil person can make you more convincing.
If you believe that everyone who expresses any kind of difference of opinion is a demon worthy of scorn, then why bother engaging in discussion at all?
You are absolutely free to call me names, but it is making you look bad, and the abrasiveness is making people not want to engage you in conversation. And honestly, i don’t know what makes you feel that it is necessary or beneficial.
But it goes beyond simply calling people names, in that you have created fictional personas that you argue against, and attribute imagined beliefs to those personas, even when the people you attribute them to clearly tell you they aren’t correct. but it’s like you want them to hold those beliefs, just to give you an excuse to yell at them.
You are just really angry, but honestly man, i don’t think folks in this forum are the ones who did whatever made you that way.
LMN8R
2917
As is usually the case, the response to criticism in anything related to being a decent person in gaming is the biggest justification possible of the criticism.
Timex- Beyond that I’m somewhat skeptical I can convince a dude whose first instinct when it comes to dead black kids is to side with the cop who killed them, who laughs at jokes where the punchline is two men having sex, how to be a remotely decent person…
What is this, a negotiation? You’ll agree that white privilege is real if I’m nice to you?
All I will say is that this is a highly preferable way for me to read this thread, but of course that’s an individual choice.
ShivaX
2920
It’s the best way to read the forums. I held off a long time, but his previous screed that went on forever made me do it.
