Dogpiling aside, better here in P&R than it spread elsewhere. The Hotline Miami thread for example.
Timex
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The thread is kind of pointless though, because the whole gg thing is pretty much dead, and this thread has just become Virgil making a fool of himself.
If I agree with you, are we going to end up in a TPK situation?
Timex- Another important real life lesson: someone disagreeing with you doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed. Bigots always whine about that, any negative feedback for a funny joke about Mexicans or whatever is killjoys “censoring them”. Fox News had a viewer poll about how they fear they aren’t allowed to say awful shit about Muslims after people criticized their post-Charlie Hebdo Islamphobia.
Let it be clear: you’re allowed to say PC Master Race, talk about filthy casuals, console peasants, and the like. What I’m trying to provide you with in this thread is notice. Outside of the incredibly insular #GamerGate hugbox, you’re getting judged for that. You’re getting judged hard. #GamerGate isn’t a consumer revolt, it’s a bubble popping.
That, for example, KIA went to bat for 8chan’s right to host fucking CHILD PORNOGRAPHY while having a multi-day meltdown over this PC Gamer blog post telling /pcmr that their name is stupid… People will draw conclusions from that.
Timex
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It’s not even worth it at this point, as you aren’t even reading anything, nor are you saying anything of interest. I’m just going to take the advice of others and put you on ignore too. I tried to give you a chance, but it’s just tedious at this point.
He used a multiple pronoun, when speaking purely for himself, as usual.
I don’t do that. So you can stop waving that 4-iron at my knee, thanks.
Unsure why you say that - it Tom married to Brad Wardell?
Aside from the fact I believe they are friends, the Gofundme for Tom was run and managed by someone affiliated with Stardock.
FYI, I’m fine with that, but I’m also fine with the guy from PC gamer covering Ubisoft games.
Couple points - as I said, there’s a difference between a romantic relationship and just being friendly - it’s a distinction recognized in every anti-nepotism policy - and there’s no avoiding the symbiotic nature of gaming media and the rest of the industry. If Stardock or its representatives had some unusual relationship - such as being an investor in QtT beyond advertising like other companies, that would be more necessary to at least disclose, if you’re concerned about not appearing biased (and there are lots of hobby sites that may not care about being biased - their entire raison d’etre may just be to write about what they like (like Aint-it-cool-news).
Like you, I’m fine with either, it’s the disclosure that’s most important if you care about accusations about bias. Lastly, even if that’s a concern, obviously it’s not practical for a 1-man show like QtT to not cover games, while a magazine with a full staff can more easily avoid creating an apprehension of bias and should be more concerned about unnecessarily generating that perception.
I didn’t realize that, and can understand the concern with rewarding people for being jerks, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a prudent policy decision, if it’s practicable to effect. It’ll never satisfy the zealots, who will find something else to complain about - they’re suggesting now that he’ll rate ubisoft competitors more harshly, for instance - but the more distant and indirect you make potential conflicts of interest, the better, and the less ammunition you’ll generate to the rabble rousers.
Oh, please. Firstly, she set it up and Tweeted it. That was the extent of her “running and managing” it. You make it sound like she was printing out flyers and working the phones 40 hours a week. Secondly, she’s a woman who works PR for a number of videogame companies. Stardock is just one of her clients. It’s pretty sleazy to insinuate some sort of impropriety from that. You and your Brad Wardell hating ilk should just stick to the fact that I was hired to write the manual for GalCiv II ten years ago.
-Tom
Aleck
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You wrote the GalCiv II manual?!?!
SCANDAL!!!
sigh
What’s wrong with disclosure?
Alstein
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I think the prior working relationship would deserve a disclosure on reviews. While I truly believe Tom is not biased in his reviews of Stardock stuff, others might not be. (this is in no way a slight towards Tom, Brad, SD, or anyone. Just a sign of how hyper-sensitive this subject is right now.)
Never knew Tom wrote the manual, because I don’t think I ever look at manuals for stuff I buy via DD. That said, after seeing how Tom explained some things to me about writing years ago, I can see why Tom would be writing manuals and I wouldn’t be ^_^. I really should try to improve my writing sometime.
Nesrie
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Transparency is rarely a terrible idea in these circumstances. What people do with that information would be up to them. Having said that, I doubt I would care one way or another about who is sleeping with whom and which fund they are contributing to in most cases.
As for anyone who thinks Tom is biased for Stardock, they just haven’t been around long enough to see Stardock did not get a pass just because there is friendship there.
LMN8R
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Unfortunately, GamerGate isn’t dead for the people that GamerGate has been attacking since that whole disaster started last August: http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/107838639074/august-never-ends
Reminder: GamerGate started as a harassment campaign, instigated by a hurt boyfriend targeting his ex girlfriend with lies about her professional career, claiming she slept with people to get favorable coverage of her free game. That coverage never actually happened, but people are still destroying her life because of those lies today, five months later.
I think forge agrees that the connection is tenuous and does not rise to the level of concern, just like many of the other “relationships” #GG like to ferret out/manufacture to fuel their ongoing campaigns of harrassment.
Alstein
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I can say that GG did not start as a harassment campaign to a lot of folks who originally jumped on the bandwagon. For some people it was. For others, it truly was (and in some cases still is) about either anti- radical feminism (which is not harassment), or about anti-game journalism (due to an accumulation of problems which hit critical mass due to the other stuff)
One thing I have noticed, is that the GG folks have kinda formed an information system of their own, in a way very similar to say, Fox News, though it’s mostly organic. I don’t think the folks who have tried to cash in on GG, such as Milo, really have all that much influence.
Given the level of toxicity in GG, I can see why some folks do believe it is purely a harassment campaign, though many of those folks have also been harassing GG folks themselves. I know another one of my friends, who is pro-GG and has her own gamesite (which is the news site for a certain company’s games) , has been upset because many of her friends have been doxxed/harassed, even physically assaulted in one case (she told me one of the folks on the autoblock list was attacked by pro-GG people a couple of months ago physically)
None of that makes the shitty behavior done by others ok at all, but shitty behavior is shitty behavior no matter who is doing it.
