Straw man - you seem to be pretty darn fond of those from your limited posting history. As for “agree to disagree,” go ahead and pull up any criminal law where the victim has “the right to know why.”

One of the criticisms leveled at Anita Sarkeesian since the Kickstarter for her videos is that she’s somehow squandered the money. She’s published an update addressing that.

When our kickstarter campaign ended on June 16, 2012 we raised a total of $158,922. Here is a breakdown of how the funds have been used:

The truth is that there is no law that says the victim has the right to know the motivation behind a criminals action. I just think from an ethical point of view, if the motivation is known, the criminal has no right to that motivation remaining hidden.

Right of the victim trumping the rights of the criminal and all that.

I think the idea that she squandered the money stems more from her only releasing three of her promised twelve videos in the series over the course of two and a half years, and less from her spending $8,000 on games and systems, or $25,000 on equipment. Not that most of her supporters (both financial supporters and moral supporters) think she has squandered her money. But considering what she was given, what she promised, and the rate of production, it is easy to see why detractors could comfortably accuse her of wasting money.

I don’t think the common law recognizes any victims’ rights.

I think the big issue here is that it’s been almost three years since she was funded and she still hasn’t produced half of the goals she promised.

I agree, Telefrog. If this were a game (Star Citizen is the exception that proves the rule!), with the large amount of funding and as little to show for the same time frame, I think people might be clamoring for refunds, especially if the developers were still getting funding from other sources, and obviously devoting time to projects other than the one they initially got funded for.

That being said, the fact that it is a social awareness project, and likely targets a different type of audience than a Kickstarter than is strictly a video game, I understand why the supporters seem more lenient than they might otherwise be. As it is, I think all the publicity Sarkeesian has received, and all the different forums she has been able to speak in, is probably a better reward to most of the backers than any of the videos actually would be.

Start with this, to learn how GamerGate actually started, what it’s actually accomplished, and then decide if you really want to continue associating with it.

No one denies it’s good to talk about questions of ethics. The problem is that GamerGate hasn’t actually discussed any actual problems of ethics.

If you truly want to start talking about it, then give some actual examples that are backed by actual verified sources, and stop associating with GamerGate.

GamerGate’s original claims are that Zoe Quinn slept around for coverage favors. This was debunked literally months ago. And yet it persists.

[ul][li]Kotaku shows that Nathan never wrote the articles he was accused of writing [quote]On March 31, Nathan published the only Kotaku article he’s written involving Zoe Quinn. It was about Game Jam, a failed reality show that Zoe and other developers were upset about being on. At the time, Nathan and Zoe were professional acquaintances. He quoted blog posts written by Zoe and others involved in the show. Shortly after that, in early April, Nathan and Zoe began a romantic relationship. He has not written about her since. Nathan never reviewed Zoe Quinn’s game Depression Quest, let alone gave it a favorable review.[/li]
[li]Rock Paper Shotgun: This is the only article Nathan ever wrote on Rock Paper Shotgun that mentioned Depression quest.[/li][li]GamerGate has not provided any other evidence to back up this assertion[/li][li]Even though Nathan Grayson is the journalist accused of this unethical behavior (and he never actually wrote the articles he was accused of writing), and GamerGate insisting this is about “ethics in journalism”, they can’t seem to stop talking about Zoe Quinn (not a journalist) and Anita Sarkeesian (also not a journalist)[/ul][/li]
Other bullshit about Zoe Quinn

[ul]
[li]Zoe Quinn was and still is today regularly accused of doxxing herself.[/li][li]Zoe Quinn was and still is today accused of faking death, rape, and other threats.[/li][li]Zoe Quinn doesn’t actually sell the game she’s accused of sleeping around to get coverage of. It’s a free game about Depression, called Depression Quest, created to help others learn to live and deal with the disease. She does take donations, and was accused of lying about giving those donations to charity. However, the charity confirmed the donations were actually received[/li][li]When accusations of those lies first arose, GamerGate started donating to that charity in her place. After the charity confirmed receiving the donations, GamerGate started harassing the charity and threatening it with legal action because they claim they “didn’t disclose publicly” they had received donations from her (even though that is not actuall illegal). This is a charity is made up of volunteers and a part-time paid intern, helping people deal with depression[/li][li]Zoe Quinn is frequently accused of winning an award (instead of Papers Please) for Depression Quest because she slept with someone. In actuality, her game didn’t receive an award, but just an honorable mention. Papers Please did indeed win the award. No evidence backs up the claim she slept with someone to get the…honorable mention.[/li][li]Zoe Quinn was accused to have “deliberately sabotaged, DDOSed, doxxed, and shut down” TFYC (“The Fine Young Capitalists”) because they were “competition” for Rebel Game Jam. The reality is that it’s yet another bunch of bullshit accusations against her.[/li][/ul]

Other bullshit about Anita Sarkeesian

[ul]
[li]Anita Sarkeesian was similarly accused of faking threats. Still happens regularly.[/li][li]The FBI confirmed the threats were real, currently under investigation.[/li][li]Anita Sarkeesian needed to cancel an appearance for a talk at a university because of extremely specific and violent threats against her and the students.[/li][li]Reminder: Anita Sarkeesian is not a journalist. She makes videos about video games, and that’s it. Any attack on Anita Sarkeesian masquerading as “a fight for ethics in journalism” is automatically and instantly misplaced.[/ul][/li]
Even more bullshit

[ul]
[li]There is a mailing list in which games writers talk to each other. Warning: Breitbart link. This fact was presented as inherently controversial, but not really explained why. Absolutely nothing worthy of discussion was ever found on this mailing list. Just people who happen to share the same job, joking with each other, and asking each other uncontroversial questions.[/li][li]One frequent accusation of journalist collusion is that there was a collected and coordinated effort to write “gamers are dead” articles to attack gamers. In actuality:[list][/li][li]The first article, written by Leigh Alexander, was targeted at developers (the audience of Gamasutra), explaining how the gamer stereotype no longer has to be their focus, since games are so much broader. She wasn’t attacking gamers, she was attacking the outdated stereotype[/li][li]The subsequent articles are all related to and reactions of the first, not indepedent takes at a coincidental time indicating collusion.[/li][li]Rock Paper Shotgun is often accused to have written their own “Gamers are dead” article. They didn’t. They quoted one in a weekly round-up.[/ul][/li][li]Jenn Frank was accused of failing to disclose a conflict of interest. She actually did disclose this in her initial draft, but before publication this was “removed by editors because [it] did not fulfill the criteria for a “significant connection” in line with the Guardian’s editorial guidelines.”[/li][li]Maya Kramer was accused of colluding/sleeping with the IGF chairman to secure an award for The Stanley Parable, a game she’d done PR for. This award was actually the Audience Award, and is decided by a public vote on the website and consequently immune to this alleged impropriety.[/li][li]Phil Fish, developer of the game Fez, is acused to have fixed the IGF 2012 awards. But while Fez’s backers were part of the judges, they did not actually have a say in the vote since they weren’t a part of the jury that makes the decision.[/li][li]The Escapist ran a horribly misguided attempt at interviewing GamerGate supporters who are developers. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong.[ul][*]Titles of the articles are “game developers” and “female game developers”. Um. What?[/li][li]None of the female game developers felt safe to share their actual identities[/li][li]The questions are ridiculously loaded[/li][li]The male game developers were sourced straight from 4chan…you’ll never guess what happened next[/li][li]One of the male developers interviewed was directly involved in coordinated attacks against Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and others including baseless accusations like tax fraud. [/ul][/list][/li] [/QUOTE]

Continued:

So what is GamerGate, in actuality?

[list]
[li]It’s a carefully coordinated attack on women in gaming, orchestrated by the underbelly of 4chan, deliberately masquerading itself as a “concern about ethics in game journalism” because that’s the only way it would gather mainstream support[/li]> [li]It’s an attack on ethical journalism, the exact thing they have claimed to fight for:

I’ll post a link to a gamergate related wiki. Obviously the opinions, views, and evidence posted in this wiki are contrary to what LMN8R has provided. I’m posting it for the sake of offering a different perspective.

http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Main_Page

Rights are granted through law. If you have a problem with that, talk to your Congresscritter. Would you like an example of such a right? Trial by a judge, and (in most cases) a jury of your peers, not just by a reporter going on a vigilante jag. How about another one: exemption from cruel or unusual punishment. If someone stole x dollars from y people, the magnitude of the crime is always the same regardless of whether they did so to pay for an elective surgery or to buy food for starvng children in country Z. While there exists discretion to reduce penalties in mitigating circumstances and even increase on occasion (hate crimes, for instance), there is no elevator that exists which includes outing someone to the public.

Do people have a reason for wanting to know something? Sure. Of course they do. But reason does not ever equal right. The effects of each can sometimes overlap (e.g. - I have a reason to pursue happiness, AND I also have a right to do so!) but the actual principles behind each (self-interest vs. the interest of the nation) are not the same thing. That’s what stops someone from being immune to prosecution if they assert they have the right to pursuit of happiness and accumulating wealth through dishonest means would help accomplish that.

If anything it is the accused who has the right to face their accuser.

Wait, are we really saying that a journalist, in covering a story, shouldn’t at least attempt to answer the five W’s (questions of who, what, when, where, and why)?

No, we are saying that people don’t have a RIGHT to it. Keep up.

and dont forget the ubertroll version on Encyclopedia Dramatica

NSFW, and not just any old NSFW website, but a website so NSFW I’m putting a trigger warning on it.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/GamerGate
NSFW

and an amusing version on SJ hangout rationalwiki

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate

Funnily enough, the war over gamergates wikipedia page* was so hotly contested that back in the late summer the rationalwiki version was actually more balanced. Both GG editors and anti-gg were topic banned/banned btw, something not clear from the somewhat biased Guardian version.

*and on the reporting on it.

I love that there are blatant lies front and center within the “featured article” listed there. Continuing to try to pretend that there is any legitimacy whatsoever to the claims made about Nathan Grayson and Zoe Quinn.

Sure makes that “different perspective” worth researching further.

It really is like being back on page one. I for one wonder how many copies of Depression Quest were sold based on all those bribed reviewers bringing the metacritic score up.

This being the internet and all, I’m genuinely unsure if your post is tongue in cheek, or if you really don’t know it was released for free.

If it was tongue in cheek, you got a good chuckle out of me (before I started over-analyzing).

I heard Kotaku gets a check for every copy of Depression Quest that gets sold.

They didn’t fuck?