Sounds like you have an inside track. Tell us all about it.
You don’t sound like know how many websites forums got into this blackout where threads where banned as fast as they where created.
Tell us all about it. But maybe provide some evidence.
I don’t like your style. Nobody here is talking about conspirations. You do that in a way to riducule other people opinions, its a ugly and distastefull strawman. I am a bit angry here, hope nobody notice :D
If it isn’t a conspiracy, what is it that you think is going on? Tell us about it.
If you are angry your claims aren’t automatically believed without any evidence presented, I think you’re going to be angry a lot. I don’t believe in alien visitations or magic or god(s) either.
Amusing example of the hostile lunacy of SJWs like Virgil
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/567738690282483712
None of the above. It’s just an example of the crap that spawns when a poor writer politicizes entertainment media. It might be more tolerable material in the hands of a better writer, or with less heavy-handed political messaging from the same writer, but when you combine the worst of both worlds you get crap so cringe-worthy crap that it goes viral in place of entertainment.
Quaro
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Nice to see journalism is now apparently browsing TumblrInAction and fanning outrage towards random tumblr blogs. I truly find the tone of Milo’s articles be incredibly hostile and revolting, really orders of magnitude more than anything else in the conversation.
I didn’t say nobody was complaining about change - in fact, I said the exact opposite, that comic fans are notorious for complaining about change. I did not link to the Breitbart article in my post for a reason - because I didn’t want the conversation to be about that well trodden ground that you’re shifting it towards. I just included an excerpt that was relevant to the discussion about the effects this crap has had on the gaming community. You’re the one who is being entirely disingenuous by linking to an argument that was deliberately excluded and has been repeatedly addressed.
Also. The only reason why this is a ‘political’ issue is because you absurd right-wing conservative [delete offensive sexist, racist bigotry rant]
Oh god, ignore. If you can’t see that the reactionary prudes and moral police in this context have been absurd progressives for the past 20 years, go back to reading Mazes & Monsters, because that world doesn’t exist anymore. Your nutty rant projecting your own insipid racism and bigotry is just too much. You’re probably anti-gay marriage too, and yet take “wide stances” in public washrooms too.
It doesn’t require a conspiracy because silencing/punishing people who don’t express correct opinions is what SJWs do. They see something they don’t like, if they have the power, they delete it. No conspiracy required.
Just thinking that it’s plausible that it could happen is pretty far off in moon landing hoax / JFK assassination conspiracy territory. One only has to actually read reddit for a bit to realize it is crazy talk. Reddit: the lowest common denominator of the Internet.
Sure. Still doesn’t require a conspiracy. I don’t see how one goes from the believing SJWs delete/punish words they don’t like to thinking they somehow organize.
Or, alternately, he was shadow banned for being an offensive inflammatory drama manufacturer. Hmm which is it, a vast conspiracy of politicized forum moderators who are taking over (somehow?), or one dude being a jackass. Hmmmm!
Strange because having been the subject of inflammatory, drama posts on Reddit by people who weren’t banned (shadow or otherwise) I think it more likely that the person got banned because he offended the wrong people.
Wow. So you honestly think that most people who are informed on this issue oppose GamerGate? That’s right up there with “Everyone I know voted for McGovern” type of thinking.
A more straight forward argument might go: SJWs tend to be unemployed and use that extra free time to become moderators on sites. If you walk through nearly every prominent SJW in the gamergate thing they are either unemployed or “self employed” using the most generous terminology. Heck, does anyone here think Virgil has a job for example?
Milo is definitely a young, aggressive narcissist, very much like all of the SJWs he attacks. If he shows SJWs how unpleasant it can be to be on the receiving end of poorly substantiated witch hunts and offensive mischaracterizations, there is some Schadenfreude, I suppose, since the people responsible for damaging the media by encouraging crap like that Law & Order SVU episode deserve to not go unchallenged.
Milo was interviewed today on Sirius radio and this discussion of his views wasn’t bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0zv7kwnj0U&feature=youtu.be
Oh man. I’m not even going to begin trying to explain how you’re butchering that Kael anecdote(it’s a fake quote, but you don’t even get the FAKE QUOTE right!), but really? Like I keep asking, if people who are “informed” support Gamergate, why is the most prominent pro-GG publication TechRaptor? Why is the most prominent pro-GG industry personality, well, you?
A more straight forward argument might go: SJWs tend to be unemployed and use that extra free time to become moderators on sites. If you walk through nearly every prominent SJW in the gamergate thing they are either unemployed or “self employed” using the most generous terminology. Heck, does anyone here think Virgil has a job for example?
Whereas if you walk through every prominent GGer, you find you, Total Biscuit, Cernovich, various white supremacists, and the guy who played Jayne. Titans of industry all.
Also, obviously I’m employed, and I’ll bet you every dime Daddy can loan you if you want to prove it.
The one you just triumphantly posted about. The metaredditcancer guy? Ringing a bell?
Desslock,
As you weirdly try to accuse Don of being an anti-gay marriage closet case(civil and reasoned discourse, everyone!), here’s a fun little story that really captures the entire affair here. The tremendous legacy of Andrew Breitbart, the worldview of you specifically, and just the ethos GamerGate generally
Conservative activist and reality TV star Phil Robertson will be the second recipient of the annual Citizens United “Andrew Breitbart Defender of the First Amendment Award” at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference Breitbart News Network CEO Larry Solov and Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon along with Citizens United President David N. Bossie announced today.
The way that Phil there defended the first amendment? Well, he said some racist and homophobic shit. Really vile stuff. But then is when our story takes a turn for the worse: Liberals called him A RACIST and a HOMOPHOBE just because he is one! That’s it, that’s the whole story, that’s how he “defended the first amendment”.
But what a hero, eh, Desslock? A deserving champion of the cause. After all, it could’ve been you out there, honestly sharing your opinions and getting social sanction. As if you were a fucking woman!
Um. What? You probably won’t see this, because I’m apparently on Ignore now. Oh, well.
First off, Mazes and Monsters was a movie.
Second, I I’m the bigot here? You think that saying ‘I know you are, but what am I’ actually works? What are you, 8 years old? Recognizing that Mainstream comics and video game culture is heavily weighted toward white, male teenagers (or people who once were white male teenagers) isn’t controversial in the slightest. It’s reality, and if you don’t recognize that, your head is further in the sand than I realized. As pointed out by Alstien above, this has been to the detriment of the comics industry- they’ve had their lunch eaten by more culturally-accessible media. Marvel, especially, to the point where they had to sell the rights to their most profitable characters to keep themselves afloat, before finally being bought out by the one of the biggest media houses there is. Video games are getting there. Sure, the big franchises that cater to that crowd (CoD, GTA, etc) still make boatloads of cash, but more accessible games (mobile especially) are taking a larger and larger slice of the pie. Unfortunately, that market has shot itself in the foot with FtP bullshit, but that’s another conversation entirely.
Third, the idea that I’m some sort of closet homosexual is amazingly laughable. Most (not ‘some’, most) of my closest friends identify as gender queer. I’ve spent a measurable percentage of my life in places (nightclubs, bars, etc) where this is the norm. If I had any desires in that direction, I’ve had ample time and opportunity to express them, and have no shame about that.
Quaro
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So since I’m not incredibly angry that feminist criticism or commentary exists… I must be employed. Thanks. I think I’m going to passing on further conversation. I keep thinking of that Raph Koster comment:
In the midst of the worst of this mess, a few months ago, I opened Entertainment Weekly and found a full page article about portrayal of women in various TV shows. And I couldn’t help but think of the irony. There it was, the exact thing you are saying is insulting. It didn’t even generate a letter to the editor.
Mainstream is not only commerce. Mainstream is also just being in the conversation. The fact that there’s a huge backlash against some frickin’ opinions you happen to disagree with is in fact the problem.
As an aside, Raph Koster’s full comments in the GamerGate GDC article are worth a read: http://theralphretort.com/drunken-and-drugged-gdc-seems-like-its-only-for-the-cool-kids-20715/
I AM calling out unethical behavior. This post, right here, is unethical behavior. Ralph will say he’s not a journalist, so he doesn’t need to have standards. That is not exactly an inspiring role model. This post represents something worse than any instance you have found of COI in games journalism. You found a few cases of people boosting each other’s work. Here you are celebrating character assassination without any evidence, actively attempting to use a media podium to destroy careers. Is this really the games journalism you want, a low-rent TMZ?
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Sigh, the problem is that virtually none of the things you think you have proven are things that are actually proven or that you have credible evidence for. The current brouhaha over Fish is a great example. You have zilch. Nothing at all. No smoking gun. Nothing. (And no, I don’t know him). When you disentangle the array of accusations, it all boils down to “we don’t like him.”
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At the start of GG there were hundreds of people literally spamming “cunt bitch” at any woman in games – press, dev, academic, whatever – in full public view of everyone. I watched it happen plenty of times. Trying to pretend this didn’t happen seems ludicrous to me. Trying to erase the fact that Fart has been denounced as a stalker by TB (and was the single most retweeted person in GG), that Sargon, MM, and IA and KoP all have been thought leaders for GG and have been making anti-feminist videos and statements for ages, that people like Aurini instantly jumped on the bandwagon, that RogueStar got banned for sexist insults on Gamasutra, and so on… I just don’t get it. Be angry all you want, go after corruption. But why deny the utterly obvious?
Teiman
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Sorry, but I don’t feel I have to prove anything, its not some hidden fact. More like you are the one that have to educate yourself.
If you don’t know what has happened, how large it was, you can’t talk about it. Much less criticize others that do know what happened.
Enjoyed your post quaro.
SJWs aren’t common overall. The only person in this discussion off hand that I think obviously fits the description is Virgil. Thankfully Tom evicted most of the ones who were here.
They’re not liberal or conservative. They’re narcicists who need someone to hate to elevate themselves. They tend to infest forums and social media in general to try to “raise awareness” about whatever dire first world problem they think will elevate their standing to their peer group.
What makes them easy to spot is their obsession of privilege hierarchies.
steve
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The entire SJW movement, such that it is, arose because certain groups were, and still are, on the receiving end of poorly substantiated witch hunts and offensive mischaracterizations, so I’m not sure there’s any Schadenfreude to be had. Yay for bullies bullying the bullied. I’m guessing Milo has been on the receiving end of that kind of bullying, since he’s gay. Good for him for turning into exactly what he probably loathed at one point.
Also, are you really saying that the Law & Order episode wasn’t due to GamerGate? Like, it was the media’s fault? Seriously?
And also also, that was a hilarious “wide stance” comment. As you repeatedly say to others, way to elevate the discussion!
What makes them easy to spot is their obsession of privilege hierarchies.
By the by, no “actual” SJWs(whatever that means) is obsessed with “privilege hierarchies”. That’s a reactionary strawman based a willful misunderstanding of the concept.
OH, and Alstein, again, definitely a very sincere dude with lots of good input. I wonder why your friend got “harassed” by SJWs or what form that harassment could have taken? But just as a headsup(as we will never, ever, ever get specifics from you when you’re playing your BS faux equivalence game to suck up to Brad), Twitter has allowed direct messages for nearly its entire existence, and group direct messages for a quite a while. So the next time one of your friends wants to say something offensive without fear of any negative feedback, you can tell him or her that Twitter has in fact catered to their specific need.
The conspiracy angle is that this is happening at all beyond completely normal moderation of shitty language and personal attacks or forbidden topics for whatever subreddit or forum you happen to be on.
Wow. So you honestly think that most people who are informed on this issue oppose GamerGate? That’s right up there with “Everyone I know voted for McGovern” type of thinking.
Yes absolutely definitely GG support is in the minority. Like I said, few people buy the ethics in games journalism angle for reasons that have been discussed over and over. If GG were actually about ethics in games journalism, no one would really be against it… but it isn’t. It is tainted by the sad fact that people who started it are obsessed with the feminism angle.
But that aside; do you agree with Teiman’s suggestion that there is a global blackout of … something ?? perpetrated by SJWs threatening legal action against content providers and also some sort of creeping takeover of reddit? Because that is conspiracy horseshit.
Alstein
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That’s how bans work in general. Sites always have a double standard- the key is finding one where you can deal with what the double standards are.
The first group that is that super-minority are the hardcore radical gators. They’re a pretty batshit minority that you can look at their twitter feed, see 90% of their posts are about “fighting the good fight”, and can mute pretty easily. They’re every bit as annoying as SJWs. I don’t want anything to do with those folks.
There’s a second group of folks who aren’t supporting GG, but are anti-political correctness/anti-SJW. That group will support things that will solve the problems out there, but they’re not going to support things that they don’t think will do more harm than good, and they feel the SJW crowd does more harm than good.
Some folks get driven to that second group because of suffering harassment from radicals on the left, which is real and does exist.
On iPad so briefly: I was talking about opposing gg, not supporting. Very different. I don’t consider my self a gg supporter as much as being sympathetic to it because I’ve seen and experiencd first hand how crsppy some elements of game journalism is and am very aware of the corruption in the “indie scene”.
But if you think most people oppose gg, you’re spending too much time in an echo chamber. My success has been based on knowing the market and its demographics. I can tell you with certainty that in terms of gamers and gamedevs it’s not even close. There are far far more ggers than anti ggers.
Also, soapy is he only one talking about conspiracies. SJWs tend to be over represented in moderating and have no problem deleting or restricting “incorrect” opinions. They only appear to be a conspiracy because they individually behave so consistently.
Ok, enough ipad torture for one evening. Yikes.
