Busbecq
4001
If some starving African coltan miners managed to steal a phone, find Qt3 and reply to every single post on the forum that diabetic game players of all genders and colours were oppressing them and needed to check their privilege until the end of time, you’d get irritated too.
Who the fuck left the phone out in the first place?!? God damn African miners. Always poking their noses where they don’t belong.
LMN8R
4003
My stance is that such claims have been bullshit since the beginning. And all the evidence happens to be in my favor.
You claim you’re “repeating the specific charge”, but you are directly accusing her of such behavior despite the fact that it’s been thoroughly debunked.
Don’t hide behind words like “repeating the specific charge”. You’re shifting blame onto other people despite the fact that you yourself are directly, indisputably claiming it’s true.
So, again, do you thoroughly believe that Zoe Quinn got undeserved coverage of her game by sleeping with people?
Busbecq
4004
Any coverage Zoe Quinn gets is undeserved, her one and only game was hot garbage.
LMN8R
4005
There are hundreds of games that get press they don’t deserve.
Many of your games which probably deserved zero press got far more press than Depression Quest ever did.
Depression Quest resonated with a lot of people with depression, so they upvoted it on Greenlight. Many people have claimed it literally saved their lives. Who is anyone to say they’re wrong?
Bringing Zoe Quinn’s sex life and personal relationships into this is just fucking scummy. There are infinite variables that contribute to the publicity behind a game, and there’s no concrete evidence that Zoe Quinn’s personal relationships or sex life caused Depression Quest to get more press than it deserved.
Bringing it up is just misogynistic bullshit. No male developer has ever received such horrific, deplorable scrutiny.
And, once again, on the “Gamers are Dead” bullshit:
You can choose to believe that there was no coordination and that 10 articles spontaneously appeared on a single day on roughly the same subject.
Yes, I can choose to believe it. Because someone else already did the work to look through all of those articles. To re-iterate:
- Leigh Alexander’s first post, which is commonly accused of “attacking gamers”, is not doing anything of the sort. It’s an article talking to developers, about how the gamer stereotype no longer has to be their audience. Sure her writing was a bit hightened due to the context in which it was written, but it’s neither attacking all gamers nor saying that all gamers represent the stereotype.
- The subsequent articles are not some massive organized conspiracy where everyone happened to start attacking gamers at the same time. They are instead reactions to Alexander’s article, related to it, or re-postings of it.
It’s the exact same thing that happens around the internet every day. Re-postings, commenting, re-blogging, whatever. There is nothing unique about this story that doesn’t happen with countless other stories every day.
You’re just so fucking convinced there’s a devious conspiracy that that’s all you can see.
It isn’t simply me saying it. The debunking has been done and talked about several times waaaay upthread.
You can choose to believe that there was no coordination and that 10 articles spontaneously appeared on a single day on roughly the same subject.
Since they did not appear spontaneously or in a coordinated fashion, yeah I disbelieve it is some coordinated “attack”. It was a trickle of articles and blog posts over a multi day span that mainly just referred back to the original Golding blog or Alexander’s article or just about the whole sad Eron Gjoni meltdown.
The idea that there was “a dozen in a day” is really stretching it since most of those “articles” are just links to others with a couple paragraphs. Might as well cite forum posts on the subject, then you can probably say THOUSANDS!! instead of just a dozen. But hey that’s what conspiracy theories demand; lots of stretching, reaching, and tenuous connections.
I mean you could even bring up the gamejournopros list and just not mention the inconvenient fact that almost none of the supposedly colluding authors were on it.
It was a simple text game which explored what it’s like to be depressed. Planescape: Torment it was not, but it’s not garbage either. I think we should encourage game design which isn’t focused on the usual subjects and forms. Call of Duty got old when it was still a WW2 series, yet it’s still pumped out year after year. With all the tired retreads being released, Depression Quest is nothing but good for the industry.
I talked about it on the Qt3 podcast, but the one thing I really liked about Depression Quest was that Quinn showed you the responses someone without clinical depression would think of like “talk to a therapist” and then struck them out on the selection screen. I thought that was a clever way of disarming the player and telling them this is what you’d normally choose to do because you’re healthy, but you can’t do that here because clinically depressed people wouldn’t do that.
…wut the?..that’s not what I said…at all.
I guess some people just hear/see what they want to find, I guess. I’ll reiterate before abandoning this cesspool then: if your aim is to fight bigotry, maybe it’s a bad idea to hypocritically, from the outset, judge, segregate and lambast or treat differently groups of people based solely upon the color of their skin or their sex, instead of treating them as individuals. You don’t come across as particularly tolerant when you visibly display the same intolerance and prejudgment as you’re criticizing, even if you feel your morals and intentions are different. “Let’s stop murder by deliberately killing people”
Which, given your past history, this post will likely get translated into:
Desslock while it’s great that you found a word of the day calender, maybe people wouldn’t “strawman” you so much if you clearly, coherently, and concisely explained what it is that you’re so furious about. Ideally, with an example.
Who is being segregated and lambasted?
If it’s “Reddit” or “GamerGate” because someone accurately described that as “white and male”, that’s incredible. But I still have to guess, and now you’re going to respond with paraphrases of alternating between lashing out in a furious rage at whoever has offended you most recently and sobbing in bewilderment about how mean everyone is. When you don’t make yourself clear, you invite the audience to guess at what you mean.
Don, of course, “Don’t talk about race or gender” only applies to some people. When it comes time for DESSLOCK to regale us with how Trayvon deserved it or how femThor is ruining comics, well, that’s a different story.
It’s amazing how you keep just shamelessly making shit up to be angry about, and then make a series of posts about how other people are furious, when you’re almost certainly the angriest person anyone here has ever encountered. All you do is impotently rage. Scream! Scream! Let’s make up more quotes to SCREAM about!! I am invested in nothing but my anger!! You’re such an anti-social misfit.
Synth
4013
This thread really is a testament to human perseverance. The main actors seem to be stuck in a loop arguing about the same things over and over.
I’d rather play Hearthstone. Everyone can enjoy that, regardless of ideology.
Timex
4015
Yeah, it’s weird that with crap going on in the world the gamergate thread is the one with a hundred some pages.
flyinj
4016
You do realize that anyone can call anything they do a “human rights organization”, right?
For instance, “A Voice For Men”, a Men’s Rights group, bills itself as a “human rights organization”.
CCGs are literally terrorism!!
Trelane
4018
Unless you’re a top tier female player apparently.
Having watched a ton of Hearthstone streams over the last year, I’m not surprised at the awful Twitch community for supported this witch hunt. But it’s disheartening to see well known players and streamers also attacking her.
