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Sure, I guess. Cause they can’t hear. (although my grandfather was deaf, and he clapped like everyone else… because, duh, that’s what you do.)
But the idea that clapping might scare people? I’m sorry, but enabling that kind of fragility just isn’t doing anyone any favors. Because the real world isn’t going to respect their apparent need to not be slightly startled by clapping.
I can’t tell how much of this thread on any side is real and how much is Kids in the Hall satire.
Holy shit, exactly this.
I read this, and it’s like what the would have made a sketch about, mocking this stuff… I think they actually DID make a sketch about such things once… because, back in the 90’s, this kind of thing was surreal. Like, it couldn’t actually happen. That’s why it was funny to imagine it.
But now it’s happening, for real? WTF?
Ok, sure, white gay male appropriation. (Which I think is implied by “gay appropriation”, as white-male is the predominant gay culture when viewed through popular culture, see things like: Will and Grace, Looking, etc). There’s absolutely a tendency in the US for white gay cultre to be fascinated by gospel, etc, in a way that seems natural due purely to familiarity, but doesn’t really make much sense. It would be interesting to see what the origins of that were (via southern drag shows or something like that?)
And again, it’s inconsequential, but it’s unless I misunderstand it, it’s internal housekeeping: they’re “there are the things we, the student union, feel the student union should be concerned about”. It’s like a stupid non-binding resolutions in congress. Sure, it’s waste of time, but so is pretty much everything else they’re doing, so it isn’t more a waste than anything else.
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I don’t understand what you’re asking?
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I don’t understand what you’re asking? I’m not being sarcastic, if that’s what you mean?
Of course, student unions are the wellspring of this type of extremism, and yes, means little.
Whats weird is this is a British student union, and as far as Im aware this is a US thing? I guess its Tumblrs flavour of the month. We did see a “I cant breathe” protest in a London shopping mall last year, which was odd, as British black males suffer from police abuse just as much as American ones (although not on the scale of US) but these guys tend to run off hot issues and trends rather than playing the long game and actually achieving anything.
When they do get involved in real life politics and activism, its generally a disaster
That did wonders for the UKIP vote, but didn’t do much for the anti-fascism/anti racism cause. A pattern oft repeated.
Thank goodness we have you to tell us about it!
Can we make a thread for “dumb shit that undergrads do” so that PWK et al can have their fun in a safe space?
Just a bit of hyperbole in a thread full of hyperbole.
Side A: Its literally genocide!
Side B: It’s the end of civilisation!
I thought this was it.
The leadership of Rotherham Council are not undergrads. Its a little bit more widespread than universities.
I’m not sure what the issue on this one is. A woman was set to speak against Islamists; the school is allowing her to speak; the school is limiting attendees to only students. I guess it’s that last part?
Is Trinity College Dublin a publicly-funded institution? And does that make any difference in Ireland in terms of who can and can’t use its facilities for rallies/speaking?
In the US, the KKK has every right to hold a parade on public streets if they do the same paperwork as everyone else, but a private college is well within their rights to deny them permission to hold a seminar.
The issue is an iman giving a talk justifying death of apostates had no controls whatsoever, yet Maryam and others in the ex-Muslim community are subject to numerous controls and restrictions as against apostacy and for secularism is offensive to Muslims.
There’s a trend to refuse to allow people whose viewpoints are “problematic” to take part in debates, its not limited to this particular incident.
I honestly don’t know why male muslim iman privilege overrides secular ex-Muslim woman privilege.
pwk needs to understand that colleges are weird little microcosms that don’t have much to do with normal life. People talk a lot about college educations “opening minds” and “broadening vistas” but the truth is that many academic lifestyles are all about cementing cloistered belief systems. Students are some of the least politically mature creatures ever to walk the Earth. The stereotype of the perpetual university student living in a bubble of naiveté has some truth to it.
I’m 90% sure it’s someone concern trolling. I have a fairly good idea who that person is, for that matter.
(I worked in Oxford for a few years and know some of the er…usual suspects among Oxford’s left wingers)
pwk - No, that is absolutely NOTHING to do with No Platform, which is about racism and fascism. Moreover, I would strongly suspect she hasn’t mentioned security issues.
(Also, I have no issues with student unions - because it is done per-Union - not wanting some types of speaker in their private spaces. Plenty of other spaces for them to talk!)
Also, you’re making excuses for people voting UKIP as they always intended to? LMAO.
Oh I know that, silly students* are a meme unto themselves, but at least here, the overlap between academia (not just students, staff), politicians and other organisations is somewhat closer. Hence the Islamists being hand in hand with the more extreme authoritarian left and influencing No Platforming policies on ex-Muslim and progressive Muslim intellectuals. Maajid Nawaz at Quilliam was doxed today, he gets a lot of flak from the (white) identity politics folks too.
*Ric from the Young Ones as a proto-SJW springs to mind.
There is nothing of No Platform here, again.
No Platform is purely a NUS policy and means certain types of speaker - mostly racist and fascist - and it bans the NUS official from being on the same stage with them. And only those - it’s widely misunderstood.
The NUS have abused it a couple of times and in each case the Student Union involved has disaffiliated for several years. Moreover, very few SU’s bother with anything like No Platform these days! Really, “No Platform” has become an excuse for things trying to ignore very real security issues.
This is something else entirely, there is no offer of “conditions” under No Platform, it’s an absolute. Again, I’d bet on security issues.
TERFs too.
Yeah this is similar but not official No Platform. It runs from the same wellspring though. The same people too. Maajid was calling them the offence brigade today. This is a good demonstration of intersectionality.
I think you need to check your conspiracy theories in at the door. And of course abusive groups like TERFS are not welcome - in that case largely because of the security issues, as I understand it! Same’s happened to a couple of “male rights” activists I know of.
And no, again, No Platform is a REFUSAL, not offering conditions. Nothing like it…sheesh! Moreover, she falls under none of the categories…which again strongly suggests to me she’s not mentioning a security issue. That there’s an ongoing issue she has with a conspiracy like a “offence brigade”, well…
This sort of whining because a private institution has put down some ground rules…is amazing. Nobody is trying to have her site pulled down, to stop her speaking elsewhere, to get her books pulled down…anything like that!
but the security issues are mobs of protesting students. Its a bit circular.
Edit: a bit more on the Farage incident and The Guardian
Maybe they are. Maybe not. Not in the cases I am referring to, however, in my post.
But the reality is that it’s a issue of that specific venue. If there will be protests by people who can legitimately be there and protest, and it makes it unsafe? The University has a duty - and that duty is TO the students, even they’re the protesters. So…tough.
Again, plenty of other spaces, not least the internet.
And that’s a PR piece from Spiked, as far as I can see, again. Spiked do a really, really bad job of obscuring their political hackery, tbh - they’re taking what a reporter once said about VIEWS and applying it to an EVENT.
They then go on to throw stupid insults, attack AGCC and whine about media conspiracies. Oh, and that the Tories oppose UKIP, which offends them. The reality is Farrage ran off. A freelancer photographer has commented there were no mob scenes. What has happened is multiple death threats, against multiple people involved, several reporters…
…From UKIP supporters. That’s Farrage’s constituency.
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Honestly a new thread about SJW or other silliness would’ve been a better move. Instead we’ve had GG crap and then half of you just slid in all this unrelated shit at the same time. It’s not hard to make a new thread or anything, so I don’t understand why the GamerGate thread has to be about stuff that’s supposedly unrelated, especially when you spent 90% of the thread hopping between the two subjects.
I mean I could start talking about Battlefield:Hardline in the Pillar’s of Eternity thread, while also talking about PoE sometimes, but it would just be fucking annoying and someone would call me out on why I’m posting in a completely different thread about a completely different thing. You know… exactly how everyone called out everyone on GG when they’d tell us how it’s about ethics and then OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT SARKEESIAN WROTE?!@???
Just make a new thread. Laughing at ignorance can be fun, but I feel like I’m watching Chapelle at a Klan rally. It would be funny, but I’m pretty sure those dudes in the hoods over there aren’t laughing at it for the same reasons I am.
