ShivaX
4721
By that logic anyone who disagrees with her is calling for the removal of her First Amendment rights.
Though, I guess that is the cry that comes up anytime anyone criticizes someone on the Right, so at least your argument is internally consistent.
More relevantly, there’s a big difference between saying this is:
(a) “dangerously irresponsible”, “harmful”, “problematic” “needs to be seriously addressed to avoid more mass shootings”; and
(b) “could be a lot better”
Yeah, I saw that after the fact.
Well, she certainly COULD try the Jack Thompson route, and maybe in her heart of hearts she would do so if she thought she thought there was a sliver of success. But she doesn’t seem to be interested in using any of the tools at her disposal (boycotts, letter-writing campaigns, working with legislatures) to actually ban anything.
Instead, she seems to be attempting to use logic and persuasion to make more people think the way she does. If you view that as “advocating it’s removal”, then any and all of us in this thread are guilty of the same thing… just with a different target.
Quaro
4725
Is that really what you get from her videos?
http://www.zenofdesign.com/i-watch-anita-sarkeesian-so-you-dont-have-to-but-you-should/ (former Old Republic lead designer)
This is all a conversation that’s worth having. Designers should listen. We can choose to incorporate that feedback. We can choose to ignore that feedback. Hell, a design team can choose to say, “Fuck you” and do the exact opposite of what she wants, just because they can (although, hey, maybe you could not be a complete douchebag about it). That is completely their right as artists. But there is no good reason to attempt to squelch what is a valuable and interesting addition to the discussion. There’s certainly no harm in an artist hearing the message of a critic. Lord knows the OTHER side of the spectrum is represented on my game forums.
ShivaX
4726
Pretty much. I find most Conservative political views problematic and harmful, but I’d be the first fucker out there defending their rights to say whatever they want. There is a substantial difference between disagreeing with something and thinking it should be illegal.
No, she’s using demagoguery and distortion and being deliberately intellectually disingenuous in order to try to have something she dislikes removed.
Instead of legitimately arguing for more diverse content and recognizing that different people will have views and desires inconsistent with her own (and that it’s not a bad thing for content creators to provide for a variety of target markets), she mischaracterizes that content as inevitably leading to mass murder (“needs to be seriously addressed to avoid more mass shootings”) and it’s “dangerously irresponsible” to allow it to continue to exist.
Quaro
4728
Is that quote about mass shooting from her Tropes Games videos? When people talk about ‘toxic masculinity’, they are talking about things like how a lot of people just expect a man to to ‘man up’ and deal with mental illness instead of getting help. “Less than 50% of boys and men with mental health challenges seek help.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc45-ptHMxo
I agree with her on that.
Good for you. Given the increasing trend on campuses to prevent conservative speakers from appearing, or to impose career-ending consequences on individuals who express different political views, I hope you’re still in the majority.
As evidenced in this very thread.
ShivaX
4731
Well consequences are a different matter. You can say whatever the hell you want, but don’t pretend the First Amendment keeps other people from reacting to it.
As far as campuses, that’s an interesting problem in a lot of ways. Paying money to someone to speak is generally associated with supporting what they have to say, so if say the local college wants to pay Ted Cruz to come say something people might get upset. If enough of them get upset and exercise their right to free speech, they might influence the college to not do it. The solution there is to find a place that doesn’t care or possibly not pay Ted (though he’s not coming if you don’t). Both sides have equal rights to say whatever they want, but usually money talks in the end. If negative PR out-weighs positive PR, then you wont do whatever it is. That’s true of any organization really, so it’s hard to fault one when they take the “sensible” path.
The speakers are usually, if not always, sponsored by the group that invited them, not the university itself (although it may have to foot the bill for security to protect against violence from unhinged people with different political views). But if there’s any place on Earth where the only sensible path is to permit the most diverse range of views for intellectual consumption and discussion, it’s university campuses, but the sensible path is often blocked by savages.
I agree that protection of freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences for that speech (other than from the government). Still not a constructive societal trend if the consequences of dissenting from majority’s view on a political question (even if in an election) is unemployment (like it was for Brendan Eich, or as it can be for conservatives in Hollywood) or something similarly punitive, and the inevitable muting and coerced conformity of viewpoints. The most vocal evangelists for diversity seem to be the least tolerant of it.
magnet
4734
When game reviewers say that the rise of pay-to-win games like Candy Crush is problematic and harmful, are they “advocating its removal”? Because if so, then Sarkeesian is no more radical than nearly any other game reviewer.
ShivaX
4735
Well, I had a big response typed out, but apparently linking to PolitiFact = ZOMG HAX or something. Seriously, what the actual fuck?
Edit: Basically the gist of it was, even though the university might not be paying, people don’t see it that way and blame the university anyway. Add in a little bias from the people running the place and there you go. It’s unlikely Hilary Clinton will be giving many speeches at Liberty University any time soon. There just happen to be more liberally leaning colleges than conservative ones.
Alstein
4736
So no chance of you pushing for a “My Little Drengin Can’t be This Cute?” side game?
What was the Boston Magazine article? Was it this?
Dunno, presumably. I just liked the sick Worf burn.
