The glorification of anonymous hordes mocking, belittling, and bullying - of trolling and ‘shitposting’ ( funny racist memes lolollol) - and just generally of being as hurtful as you can - one of the worst things to come out of GamerGate IMO.

I just wish they’d drop the word gamer from this stuff.

Yeah but just calling it “Gate” would make it a lot harder to identify.

Let’s rename it Triggergate so we don’t upset any delicate little petals.

This thread needs more “sheeple.”

I am soo triggered just now.

On these twitter you guys have linked I have found a idiot saying that a women invented science fiction. Well, Plato wrote Atlantis and Thomas More wrote Utopia. So probably not.


Heres a article that talks about group dynamics, and why people don’t leave even when the party is not fun anymore

http://www.shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html

That’s specious on its face, because the underlying issue is still, really, what the fuck is going on with “any other game reviewer” and/or journalist. And from there there’s the point that there isn’t any actual separation, let alone any sort of ethical requirements that legitimate journalists – gaming or otherwise – live by as a professional necessity.

Furthermore, there’s the massive gap between “this method of monetizing games is bad for games (and maybe for the people who play them)”, with the parenthetical being easily separated into an editorial thinkpiece, and “This engenders basic social inequality”. The latter inherently calls for social change on a deeper level, and that’s based on the social difference of social equality as opposed to commercial equality. An equal equivalence is absolutely disingenuous.

Actually, no. He didn’t get “treated poorly by his partner”, he had massive boundaries of trust breached by someone who has serious emotional problems. This isn’t MRE (and I had to look up this nonsense concept along with Gators and SJW, because apparently everything now needs a Team Jacob/Team Edward/Dumbledore Dies flagpoint).

One of the major things that seems to be swept under this particular rug is that if the roles were reversed, with Zoe in Gjoni’s place, what would happen in the whole matter? What if Gjoni not only cheated on Zoe with multiple partners (unprotected, on top of it) while feeding her lines about trust and faithfulness, then came out to have done so under such a regular influence of alcohol that he couldn’t pony up when directly questioned because of the effects therein? What if she brought that out as the story of, let’s say, Depression Quest?

I would label him as an abuser and congratulate Zoe on outing him as such. But I guess because it’s a guy, any of the behaviors we’d expect from people who care about social equality just don’t apply?

That’s one of the main lynchpins of the matter. It just so happens that on top of it, it’s also a really convenient smokescreen for flat out sociopathic behavior from one side that just so happens to find its equal in massively sociopathic behavior from the “opposing” side. Wrap it in the fact that these sociopaths are in a field where their opinion ostensibly matters, but is regulated by absolutely nothing of what governs journalistic integrity? Welcome to the mess.

And there are many, on both sides; it’s a big shitfight between both political parties (and that’s really what it is now, since anyone in the middle automatically gets attributed to one or another like they were being picked for a game of kickball), with the issue largely being that the videogame industry is fucking crazy by design, right down to the fact that it deliberately cultivated media this corrupt, uneducated and delusional; the media cultivated an audience that was stupid enough to keep reading while most saw the writing on the wall and said “Yeah… I’m too old to care. Don’t need these people, don’t need these people… hey, let me watch let’s plays and actually talk to people so I can make my own decision”.

It really isn’t. Is relationship equality now not that equal anymore, on the cusp of it maybe being equal in videogame land? Seriously, find a female who had this level of shit run on them, and tell them that it’s “next-level shit” and that they should just get over it. And then tweet it to Zoe. I’ll get the popcorn and relish the internet world of people who have never had friends of either gender who had really shit relationships.

Pretty much. There is no effective difference between those labeled as being part of “GamerGate” and those labeled as “SJWs”. It’s essentially two camps of the same anon/lulzsec horseshit slamming into each other. Not in affiliation, but in mindset.

Problem is, what is pro-GG media if the entire construct is, really, horseshit? Because the core of the matter is still that it’s looking a lot like the pro-horseshit media is the entire circle of what the gaming industry has cultivated.

hurrayyyyyyy

There is no issue because you don’t know what really went on. Why trust party A instead of party B? And why involve yourself in this kind of dirty laundry? Everything he said could be 100% true and i don’t care. Not because its right or wrong but because it’s not my business.

And really, video game media is orders of magnitude better than other industry media like electronics or automotive sites.

Sure there is. Sarkeesian hasn’t violated any ethical standard. And Quinn is not a journalist.

that’s based on the social difference of social equality as opposed to commercial equality.

Why is one type of inequality more acceptable in games than the other?

What if she brought that out as the story of, let’s say, Depression Quest?

If Depression Quest were explicitly intended to incite a harassment campaign, then of course most people would denounce it as irresponsible.

Seriously, find a female who had this level of shit run on them, and tell them that it’s “next-level shit” and that they should just get over it.

What level of shit are you talking about? You mean a female who discovered a polygamous partner? Good lord, they are everywhere. Particularly when the relationship is still in its early stages. I mean, it’s not like Gjoni and Quinn bought a house together and had five children. Even if they had, most females can get over breakups without starting an internet hatestorm. For that matter, so can most males.

Yeah, I’m not really sure where you expect any sort of dialogue to happen if we can’t get past the hurdle of understanding the spectrum between pay-to-win and actual social issues.

And really? “discovered a polygamous partner”? Good talk. Think I’ll pass.

Both have inspired critics that would like to see things “removed” from games. The main difference here is that you happen to be more forgiving of one than the other. Others have the reverse priority, and to you apparently that’s unacceptable.

And really? “discovered a polygamous partner”?

When you strip away all the teenage angst, that’s what Gjoni’s rant boils down to: “My one true soul mate (that I just met) turned out to be cheating on me, WAAAAAH! So now I’m going to make her miserable!”

It’s completely indefensible.

He didn’t get “treated poorly by his partner”, he had massive boundaries of trust breached

Oh please. If Zoe had scammed him out of his intellectual property and the contents of his checking account, then yeah that’s would have breached a “massive boundary of trust.” But she didn’t do anything of the sort.

This is a dime-a-dozen breakup story that every adult should know how to handle. I mean, I’ve personally seen it play out multiple times. No tables were flipped, no puppies were harmed.

Seriously. There is no universe in which “romantic partner cheats” is anywhere remotely near to the zip code containing a PO box rented by a front company of a justification of this kind of shit.

I’ve had romantic partners do everything Gjoni accuses, and worse, in my life. I was pretty bummed out for a while. Then I moved the fuck on because I am a functional adult.

On the one hand, a woman was hounded out of her house by death and rape threats (lol Desslock that’s just people being meanie meanies online, right?). On the other hand, video games.

Think about your priorities, for Christ’s sake.

Fuck at least six guys without telling you? That’s cold.

I’m not interested in rehashing out the details of a long, long-dead relationship with a person I believe to be mentally ill, but I stand by my statement, yes.

Quinn has a new boyfriend too.

So guy who looses his shit on finding out his girlfriend slept around with nearly a half dozen guys in a relatively short period of time is the villain. Got it.

Of those half dozen guys, 83% knew how to deal with it.

Yes, because instead of doing what the rest of us functioning adults do and moving on with his life, he posted all of the details online in an attempt to get revenge. Then he encouraged complete strangers to attack her online.

If he just would have done what we all do, which is tell his “crazy bitch” story to his friends over beers (or more appropriately in this case, his therapist), this wouldn’t be an issue.

The problem is that everyone who’s been hurt (which is probably most people) at some point in their lives wants to do what he did. We want to go online and tell the world how much we’ve been wronged in the desperate hope that either she’ll realize how amazing we are or that people will pity us. But that’s just emotion and it’s totally unhealthy. 99.9% of the world is sad for a couple weeks or longer and then eventually just moves on, hopefully having learned something and taken with them something positive (if possible).

So cheering this guy on because he just did what we’ve all wanted to do isn’t constructive. He’s no hero. He’s just a tool you’re using to project. So do us all a favor and move on, too.

PS - it’s 2015, women are allowed to sleep around. Stop throwing that number out there in an attempt to get us to drop our monocles in our soup.

This isn’t the inverse of “SJWs WANT TO CENSOR VIOLENT GAMES,” I agree that people can do whatever they want. But we can also make character judgments about that.

Exactly. His behavior was the sort of immaturity I’d expect from someone with zero dating experience in junior high or high school when his first serious girl friend dumps him and he thinks it’s the end of his world. Healthy, functioning adults don’t do such things. And the “woman sleeping around” bit only holds weight with refugees from the middle of last century. I’m 50, and I think it’s a ridiculous, antiquated, misogynist attitude myself. He really is the villain here. Nothing that he did is remotely justified, and I have zero empathy for him.

I totally agree (crazy, right?), but that doesn’t give you permission to seek revenge.

Go get drunk. See a therapist. Write a song. Smoke some weed. Cry for a couple days. Go have random sex with a bunch of people.

There are a lot of options before “write a blog with specific details and encourage others to seek revenge on your behalf.”

I agree, stalking is wrong.