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I disagree, cheating is bad. It’s traumatic for the cheated person, I would never counsel someone to just shrug their way through it or accuse them of being brainwashed by the patriarchy because they expected reciprocity from their loved one.

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Sure, deception is bad. I’m an open and honest guy myself, and I hate cheating. But sleeping around isn’t bad if deception isn’t part of it. I’ve been in open relationships, and when everything’s up front, it’s not a big deal. Sleeping around != cheating. And even deceptive cheating doesn’t deserve the response Quinn got.

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If she even did it. Which doesn’t matter.

We’ve been successfully trolled. ‘New’ user (probably a sockpuppet- registered a year ago with less than 20 posts, all in the last couple weeks) ‘disagrees with both sides’, but just happens to be hung up on this topic dredges it up yet again, and we all fall for it.

EDIT: nevermind

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You should fully expect reciprocity from a loved one after you’ve taken marriage vows or made an equivalent mutual commitment.

This was a fling lasting only a few months. Realistically, expectations at that point should be pretty minimal.

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So let me get this straight: being cheated on repeatedly and being emotionally abused for having suspicions thereof is in the “Pssh, man up and get over it” range, while internet hooliganism is the major social crime of the century? Why is the exact same logic suddenly not applicable to the other side? By Zoe’s own logic, she raped her boyfriend. She’s crazy in coming up with that logic, but it’s there. By her own insane metric, she did something that terrible. ZOE pulled the rape trigger on herself. There’s no getting around that.

And let’s be clear here on my end: I’m working from the perspective of having a buddy who had a GF take a lunge at his junk with a knife. Missed and got him right in the artery of the thigh. Funny story that still makes me laugh because the reasoning was “… her sister was really hot!”. So I’m not new to the whole toughen-up-and-move-on logic, but it is incredibly one-sided with this whole deal and it’s flat out bullshit. Zoe isn’t a damsel in distress from internets, and if there is going to be any semblance of parity, she can get over what Gjoni wrote just as you expect him to get over what (and who amirite) Zoe did to him.

Basically, one camp of crazy people is at fake war with another group of crazy people, neither of whom have any concrete standards of conduct beyond what’s convenient. This is, again, the core of the matter as far as I can perceive it. And it does nothing but get in the way of the fact that there’s still a lot of obviously shady shit going on in the industry that any real journalist would get pilloried over (both publicly and internally), ranging from collusion to outright incompetence.

So cheering this guy on because he just did what we’ve all wanted to do isn’t constructive. He’s no hero. He’s just a tool you’re using to project. So do us all a favor and move on, too.

And here’s why it’s a bunch of putzes acting like they need everything to be Twilight-ified. You do realize that you’re directly responding to someone who has had the exact same stuff pulled on him and his family that you condemn Gjoni for supposedly bringing upon Zoe?

PS - it’s 2015, women are allowed to sleep around. Stop throwing that number out there in an attempt to get us to drop our monocles in our soup.

No. I don’t know what logic you’re trying to semantic into place, but women aren’t “allowed” to sleep around any more than men are. That’s why it’s called cheating, and that’s why it’s a massive breach of trust. That breach of trust in a relationship is inherently abusive.

Beyond that, you painted yourself into a corner. First it’s bad, but Gjoni should just get over it; then actually, it’s not that bad in the first place. I’m fine hearing your logic and perspective, but would you terribly mind picking one that’s consistent?

Yeah, no. You don’t get to take HS drama first relationships and draw an equivalence to faking fidelity while having unprotected sex with others on the sly.

This is something else I’m not sure is getting through the wall of noise: she had unprotected sex with other men without telling her boyfriend. Sorry, that’s major shit in my world. Maybe I’m different in actually being educated in sex after the Bob Crane era, but hey.

It was. And deception is still at the very heart of the matter.

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Wow…

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she can get over what Gjoni wrote

Anyone can get over whatever some schmuck wrote once.

Getting over the resulting harassment that continues to this day is another matter.

massive breach of trust … inherently abusive.

Use whatever breathless hyperbole you want. I’m fond of “Love is a battlefield!”

The fact remains that what happened to Gjoni has happened to a lot of normal people we know, and normal people can get over it. Quickly. I guess we’re all survivors.

First it’s bad, but Gjoni should just get over it; then actually, it’s not that bad in the first place. I’m fine hearing your logic and perspective, but would you terribly mind picking one that’s consistent?

Let me put the puzzle together for you:

It’s bad, but Gjoni should just get over it because it’s not that bad.

Kind of like: your writing is bad, but you should still be able to pass a Turing test because it’s not that bad.

You’re welcome.

she had unprotected sex with other men without telling her boyfriend. Sorry, that’s major shit in my world.

I bet she wasn’t even a virgin when she met him! That puts Gjoni at greater risk than anything occurring during their brief relationship!

Women who don’t save themselves for marriage - now that’s major shit in your world amirite?

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Really?

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Yeah, really. And why the hell are we even discussing the sex lives of two dumb kids? Why do you care so much? She didn’t cheat on you.

This all just starts to feel like a soap opera, and we’re all too old to be yammering on about that.

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Because the state of the industry has degenerated to the point where not only does the sex lives of several kids (a few of whom are married and otherwise pretend to be adults) effect two industries, but the very growth and legitimacy of those fields.

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Actually, we’ll do the former and still have the latter.

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Comedy gold.

4794

How many cuckold fetishists here are secretly THRILLED by the ZQ-EG drama? Be honest, we’re all hiding behind masks.

4795

Never tell me the odds…

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Cuckold fetish? Is that a thing? It sounds as silly as a fetish for bloody noses. Oh god now I can’t look.

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There’s so much projection in your response here. Very amusing.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, people still get pissed off for being cheated on.

As the philosopher, Carrie Underwood, recently put it, “That I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive, carved my name into his leather seats, I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights, slashed a hole in all 4 tires…Maybe next time he’ll think before he cheats.”

Some people don’t react well to being cheated on. If he had been female and she a male, the reaction to the dirty laundry posting would have been very different I suspect.

As someone who has had first hand experience dealing with Quinn and her ilk BEFORE this happened, anyone ignoring her antics in the years leading up to this is missing the concept of cause and effect. They are very good at dishing it out but are the first to cry victim when they get it back.

And since it obviously needs to be said: Harassing people is not a good thing. She didn’t deserve what she got but neither did her boyfriend.

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The entire blues genre is all about people who have been wronged emotionally. But generally the line “that bitch done me wrong” isn’t followed up with a “and here’s her address, I’ll look the other way if you do something to make her pay for what she did to me” specific call to action.

To give a more specific example, it’s 2015 and there’s still debate about who, exactly, Carly Simon is referring to in her song “You’re So Vain.” And that’s because Carly Simon didn’t call out whomever it was who hurt her publicly and ask people to get revenge for her. Instead, she channelled her pain and rage into an award-winning song.

The reaction would have been: “men are dogs, and he’s an asshole, but damn, girl you need to get help, because you’ve got issues.”

We agree on the major point. Can we all just move on with our lives now?

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I know this might come as a huge shock to someone who has spent their entire career in videogame PR, but yeah, if any individual would like to they’re as welcome to do so as they always have been.

If you mean it in the sense of “I’m tired of it because I’m used to that mattering in terms of what gets talked about even”, then I can welcome you to the same option you seem to be offering everyone else: shut up.

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Awww… don’t be mad… it’s just that you are REALLY NEW here, and this thread is 159 pages long. But thanks for your useful contributions about how the sex lives of some humans is RUINING GAMES AND GAMES JOURNALISM. You’ve really shed some new light on the issue, and clearly it’s VERY IMPORTANT! Good thing you came by to rally the troops.