I’m sorry, I’m trying not to be involved in this nonsense, but when I read this, all I imagined was you sitting on a stoop, fanning yourself and sipping a mint julep.
“These terms are so vile and depraved, how do people even think like this? Lawdy lawd I don’t know what to do with mahself…” in a voice very similar to Lindsay Graham. ;)
And now I’m laughing my ass off.
Busbecq
1943
People who disagree with me are like SLAVEHOLDERS. Slaveholders raped their slaves. Therefore, people who aren’t bothered by retro t-shirts support and enable rapes. QED, my logic is infallible.
Desslock
1944
Exhibit 74333. Again, are you truly unable to discern the difference between this funky t-shirt: https://31.media.tumblr.com/cdde0f2b2d9677bbc497b6b0ba607b86/tumblr_inline_nf521tI78n1ri3npo.png and watching hardcore porn in your office, in the nude?
I’m sort of curious how some people would have reacted if it was images of Lana Kane on the shirt.
hepcat
1946
Let me get back to you. Debbie Does Dallas II just started and I’ve got to close my office door.
Desslock
1947
Or something offensive, like Che Guevera.
This stupidity has managed to sell a hell of a lot of this $60 shirt: http://www.alohaland.com/whats-new/new-gunner-girls-sold-out
Can still get this very similar variation: http://www.alohaland.com/whats-new/gunner-girls Secret Santa gifts galore.
Busbecq
1948
Then it’s an ironically self-aware depiction of sexuality produced and consumed by people in a particular ingroup. They’re allowed to have sexual license because of the rhetorical hoops they jump through in their heads while they’re having a boner; it’s all the nasty people outside of the hugbox that need to practice chastity and repentance.
Are you unable to see that both are inappropriate for the workplace and separate in degree (for I picked an absurd example both to counter Teiman’s blanket generalization and for amusement’s sake) but not in kind?
What kind of industry do you work in where that shirt would be remotely appropriate? Bartender at a strip club?
Telefrog
1950
Actually, wouldn’t it depend on how Lana Kane were pictured on the shirt? If it’s just Lana Kane standing there, perhaps in her trademark sweater and shoulder holster, I don’t think there’d be much discussion other than Archer nerds high-fiving and applauding his rock-a-billy choice in clothing. If it’s Lana Kane in lingerie or BDSM gear posing in suggestive ways, we’d be right where we are now.
magnet
1951
Isn’t Desslock a lawyer? If so, I hope he sits down before reading this.
Fautsko says some people seem determined to push the fashion envelope.
“I had a report of one court that had an individual keep coming into court dressed like a clown,” he says. “Again, that pushes the dignity of the court.”
Courts are a place where serious business is conducted, and that demands appropriate attire, says Delaware Superior Court Judge William Witham Jr.
“We’re not out to treat people as school kids, but we do expect if you come to court, you need to treat it with the appropriate respect and dignity it should deserve due to the occasion,” he says.
Among recent examples:
• In May, Jennifer LaPenta was jailed briefly after a judge in Lake County, Ill., held her in contempt for wearing an offensive T-shirt to court.
• In Inkster, Mich., Joseph Kassab was turned away in April from the courtroom for wearing black jeans. He missed his traffic court appearance and was fined, and he’s challenging the dress code in the state Court of Appeals.
• The same thing happened to Linda West, who missed her court date after being refused entry in June to court in Bakersfield, Calif., for wearing flip-flops.
• In July, in Hamilton County (Ohio) Municipal Court, William Morse’s T-shirt featuring slasher-movie character Chucky and the words “Say goodbye to the killer” earned Morse a warning that he’d spend a day in jail if he came to court again with inappropriate attire.
Tortilla
1952
It’s Desslock. His hyperbole-meter goes up to 11. And starts at 10. Don’t take him seriously.
Telefrog
1953
Turned away for black jeans at Traffic Court? Holy shit. That’s crazy. People are usually going straight from work to court. The last time I went to traffic court, it was no better than the actual DMV in terms of attire people were wearing.
magnet
1954
Ken at Popehat has a good post on the subject, including this insight:
When Mars Curiosity landed, plenty of people paid lots of attention to Mohawk Guy. Few people were upset by that — you didn’t hear a lot of “OMG people are focused on appearance rather than on this historic event, how terrible.”
You seem to be implying that this isn’t total bullshit. Is that really what you think?
magnet
1956
I’m implying that Desslock shouldn’t be so apocalyptic (the article is from 2010, and the Republic has somehow survived). But maybe he can’t help it.
Denying entry to a defendant with black jeans is bs. That doesn’t mean anything goes, though. Particularly for people who are paid to show up rather then being dragged in.
Ken White also happens to be a lawyer, and his post has a more nuanced view of dress codes than my bullet point quotes.
AlanQ
1958
Canadian courts take decorum very seriously. We still wear robes, for one. There are legends in my jurisdiction about judges who refused to hear from counsel who:
- wearing shoes that were neither black nor brown;
- counsel wearing skirts too short and blouses to revealing; or
- unbuttoned vests or jackets.
I think some smaller Canadian firms might play it a bit looser in terms of dress but the big Canadian firms are extremely conservative. No way that shirt would fly at a big Toronto firm, at least if worn by anyone but a senior partner.
E: conversely if you are a non-lawyer you can wear whatever you want to court. I have seen defendants in provincial court wearing pyjamas, chaps, etc etc.
Telefrog
1959
In an article filled with stupid arguments, there are some real howlers in there.
It’s the hypocrisy of it all that irritates me. Here is Kim Kardashian – a heroine and idol to some members of my family – deciding to bust out all over the place, and good for her. No one seeks to engulf her in a tweetstorm of rage. But why is she held to be noble and pure, while Dr Taylor is attacked for being vulgar and tasteless?
Pro-tip: No one, and I mean no one, thinks Kim Kardashian is “noble and pure”.
Busbecq
1960
Wow, way to slut shame. Rape culture some more.
