Hence “totally appropriate in a lot of cases.” But I don’t expect a mixture of plate and boiled leather on Robb and Jaime in the Whispering Woods eg. I know full well it’s a nerd thing and it’s only even really valid in a limited number of cases, but there you are. I think the costuming/aesthetic versatility of leather and the ugliness/unassuming qualities of mail, and the downright impracticality of plate are the main issues.
I am pretty sure the Ned Stark beheading was much earlier in the book than in the show right? I remember that being like 2/3 through the book or something.
Anyhoo, can’t wait for next week.
I seemed to remember that as well – I was expecting it around episode 7 or 8, not 9. But something like that, I can see why they might push it back further.
Athryn
2884
Nope, it’s only a few chapters (six, to be exact,) before the end.
It’s pretty close actually.
Cross posting from non-spoiler thread : Videogame of Thrones 8-bit remix of theme from the show
Pretty nice job. I’d play that Nintendo game.
I’m nerdraging just a little that it’s an 8-bit tune but a 16-bit cart.
Equis
2888
Man, over in the non-spoiler thread, I’m noticing gameoverman diligently defending Joffrey at every turn. “But he’s just a kid!” that lies, gleefully executes people and generally being a little shitheel.
I’m kinda looking forward to how he can continue once Joffrey gets to beating and humiliating Sansa for the fun of it.
Yeah, had the same reaction. If it weren’t for the Sansa/Arya/River scene I could kind of see someone running with that argument, but they purposefully flashed his whole psycho/bad seed side pretty clearly there. They cranked up the the bad language / death threat to Arya stuff vs. the book scene.
(The downside to that was it made Sansa look even worse than in the books.)
King Joffrey at his best.
And the inevitable “Hitler watches episode 9 of GoT”
It’s worth the watch.
Rywill
2891
The producers talked about season 2 in an interview with the LA Times. Of particular interest (to me, anyway), they say they’re beefing up the presence of Robb and Jaime as compared to the book, to keep those cast members front and center.
I had forgotten how much those two were just totally left out of CoK.
I liked CoK more than (what I take to be) the reader consensus, but this makes sense to me.
StGabe
2893
Sansa looks pretty fucking terrible in book 1 as is. She backs Cersei over Ned and Joffrey over Arya. I think the main difference with the books is that you’ve read more of her story and remember that. Book 1 Sansa is really not all that much better than Joffrey. They’re both stupid kids projecting adolescent ignorance on the world around them and making terrible decisions based on that. The difference is that Joffrey just continues to get worse while Sansa eventually grows up a bit.
I think that has more to do with the fact that gameoverman is a ridiculously charitable person than it does with how Joffrey is portrayed. It’s not unusual for people who are fundamentally good to see the world as either equally good, or just temporarily misguided.
IMO GRRM has a certain “just plain evil sadistic loony” personality type that’s reflected in Viserys, Aerion Brightflame and Joffrey, with Cersei and some other characters sort of approaching it but not having the same odd “sameness” as those three.
StGabe
2897
How much of that is simply that you’ve read PoV’s from Cersei or the fact that she’s a woman and a little less direct with her violence? I see what you’re saying but I think that it’s somewhat prejudicial. You can understand why someone is fucking nuts, and even empathize with it, but that doesn’t make them less nuts. I think the big difference between Sansa and Cersei is just that Sansa has a much better foundation and she’s able to adjust once her worldview crumbles. She could easily have gone the other way, however, based on her actions in Book 1.
I was unclear. My primary point was that there are 3 characters - Joffrey, Aerion and Viserys - who struck me as having strongly similar portrayals as powerful, evil, petulant, cowardly characters.
The rest of the villains in the story are more varied in their portrayal and mentioning Cersei was an inadvertent red herring on my part.
StGabe
2899
I know but my point is: is Cersei really better or are you simply more acquainted with reasons that would make you more willing to accept her evil, petulant and cowardly behavior? I think a lot of the book characters sort of give Cersei the benefit of the doubt as well but by book 4 they’re regretting that and realizing she’s just as fucked up crazy as the rest of them. Joffrey’s just a product of his mom. He’s an expression/projection of her desire for the power she thinks she could or should have had as a man.
Well, that’s partly why it’s a red herring because actually I found Cersei more similar to the J/A/V characters in aFfC, ie the reverse of that premise. But aFfC both gives her a PoV and also sees her behavior spiral off into the pathological, so I think it unduly complicates the straightforward case that J/A/V constitute a pretty distinguishable “villain type” that are more similar to each other than to any of the other villains.
A good case could be made for relating Cersei to the group, either as the cause of Joffrey, as a member of the group, or as someone who resembled them more than anyone, but it could be argued different ways.
