A guilt ridden flashback to Tyrion’s wife would work.
However, the producers don’t seem too interested in using this medium. If they were, having Ned flash images back to Jon’s mother would have made sense, particularly during the conversation with Robert, or maybe Jon.
Ned’s pensive look as Robert asks about his bastard’s mother . . . fade to black. . . Tower of Joy scene . . . fade back to pensive.
But, they didn’t do that, and Ned is dead . . . so I doubt they will employ it for Jaime
I suspect this is how they’ll handle it as well. I think the first few episodes are going to very quickly deal with Catelyn going to meet with Renly, (she might even start heading down there in the next episode,) Renly’s death, and Catelyn fleeing back to Riverrun with Brienne.
Jaime’s escape attempt might be in there somewhere, but ultimately, it’s not a huge deal if Jaime’s only in Season 2 for 5 or 6 episodes. He’s only in 7 episodes in Season 1 as it is. You can only be in 5 episodes and still have a strong “presence” in the season. Sam, Viserys, and Renly were all only in Season 1 for 5 episodes.
Poor gameoverman keeps digging on the Joffrey front. I guess they didn’t explain Joffrey’s kitten-experiment in the TV show?
No, none of Joffrey’s super awesome terribliness has really surfaced. I’m pretty sure he’ll change his tune as soon as the Kingsguard starts punching Sansa.
I still think his shouting “I’ll gut you, you little cunt!” at Arya makes Sansa look rather stupider than in the books. I know the books show a lot more of her goofy, fairy-tale interior life, but they don’t make her blind or deaf to the apparently imminent death of her sister at the hands of Prince C-Bomb.
Her actual behavioral failures - notably at the judgement that gets Lady killed - are sort of understandable psychologically in either case, but she doesn’t ignore that obvious a call from the clue phone in the novel.
StGabe
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My feeling was that she did, at least in the sense that she quickly rationalized away the parts she didn’t like. She’s briefly thinks, “wait, this isn’t supposed to be part of the fairy tale” and then as soon as the assault on her world view is over she reverts back. The telling part is how, after all is said and done, the only thing she really fixates on is that Lady died and it’s Arya that she’s mad at.
In general, yes, but I didn’t think he’d threatened Arya as obviously in the book. BUT, on re-reading actually, the scenes are more compatible than I remembered. Joffrey gets a bloody head and
That’s more obvious than I remember. Joffrey comes off as a bit more badly hurt (and has a rock thrown at and miss his head) but the language and level of threat to Arya is more like the show than I thought.
I want to see anyone rationalize away Joffery telling Sansa to kiss her father’s decaying head, if the show goes there.
He’s been under a lot of stress.
Wait, I’ve not been following the spoiler-free thread too much, are there honestly Joffery apologists!? That’s fucking terrible.
There’s only one or two who are insisting that Joffrey isn’t actually a little psychopath.
I like that he’s now arguing that the most evil Lannister of them all is Jaime.
Hemalin
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Well in the first couple books, Jaime comes across as nothing but an amoral asshole. It isn’t till his POV chapters that we see more depth to his character.
I enjoy that this thread can be a spectator thread for the non-spoiler one.
I think that Joffrey, and Gregor Clegane are probably the two most evil characters in the series, as they pretty much are psychologically unbalanced. While Cersei does eventually dip into madness, the portrayal on the show has shown her in a much kinder light. She did try and spare Neds life, even after he outed her. She at least had some decency in the early going.
I can’t wait to see people’s opinions of Jaime change.
Cormac
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Here’s a mildly amusing fan trailer of a Tyrion buddy comedy.
Cersei wanted to spare Ned in both the book and the show - purely because it is the best move to make in the ‘game of thrones’. Joffery is a piece, not a player (to use Littlefinger’s language) just a nasty piece of work, unpredictable and not at all pliable. I can’t imagine the apologists will withstand Joffrey’s assault of pure awfulness in the early part of CoK.
I really enjoyed how Jamie because sympathetic during SoS, and of course just as we were starting to like him, he gets maimed. I do wonder how they will handle that, so much of it comes from getting his point of view and inner monologue.
That’s the key right there.
The “apologists” in the other thread don’t have the foreknowledge that we do. For them, they’ve seen Joffrey (a) act like a spoiled brat, (b) act like a bully and give a weaker kid a small cut on his cheek, and © order the death of the man he was told was trying to take his throne. They haven’t seen him torture cats, order people to kiss decapitated heads, shoot beggars at the gates, or order his guards to strip defenseless girls. To the non-book-readers, Joffrey is a stereotypical fantasy bratty prince in a series where many fantasy tropes are turned on their head… it’s not a big stretch (to them) to believe that GRRM will redeem the character in later seasons.
For that category, I’d also add Vargo Hoat and the Bastard of Bolton.
Equis
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And Walder “fucking” Frey.
Cersei is pretty damned evil even before she goes batshit insane. Ned would rather die than throw away his honor and integrity, and Cersei forces him to do the latter just because it figures better into her plans. It would have been less evil to just kill him outright.
