I agree. I have never assumed he was gay and don’t remember any “clues” or “hints” to that effect.

I caught the Winterfell one, but now I’m going to have to go back to catch the Khaleesi one.

Prediction:

The Red wedding will be Bolton marrying Fat Walda (or some other Frey daughter). The Tully’s will be completely cut.

The new story, with the edited GRRM will be:

From Robb’s perspective, his ally Frey agrees that marrying a Bolton to one of his daughters is acceptable instead of marrying a king.

From the Frey and Bolton perspective, they jointly ally to betray Robb and get back into the good graces of the iron throne. Bolton becaomes the new Warden of the north. The Frey’s are wed into the new power of the north.

That sounds just about right.

(I would suggest just calling it the RW, just for maximum protection for non-book readers or those that haven’t read that far wandering into the thread. I got spoiled while reading Storm of Swords just from reading the name of that event on another forum.)

They may just be planning on introducing characters later, closer to the time where they become necessary to the plot. I could see the Tullys appearing in season 3, ready for the events where important things happen involving them.

I really hesitate to go spoiler free when this is the OMG spoiler on every page thread, and there is another thread for non book readers here:

Personally, I think the RW happens this season and concludes the Stark story arc for the year.

Granted SoS is an eventful book, but it’d still seem like removing one of it / season 3’s bigger events for the benefit of season 2.

I tend to think the RW will be the finale of season 3 since they’re splitting ASoS. Robb’s arc for season 2 will conclude with Catelyn walking in and catching him with the other girl, and Cat will then release Jaime after speaking with him more.

Well, that was an interesting way to get the Karstarks into it.

And I like how Qarth actually got interesting.

Wow, Just finished this week and the preview

So, Jon Snow’s motivations from the book are all shot to hell.

Since Caitlyn is drawing a sword over Jaime before she gets word from Winterfell, her motivations are also shot to hell.

This episode moved entirely too slowly for the Wall story to conclude - or for the Wedding to take place, particularly with only two episodes left . . . I thought there were 3 for some reason - there’s a conflict between the list here:

And the sneak peek for Episode 8, which says only 2 episodes left…

I’m gueessing/hoping that was the wrong promo.

Finale may be 2 hour double episode event that HBO is only counting as 1 episode? They would likely skip a week between next week and the finale if that’s the case, as HBO is fond of doing that with shows and running a marathon of the season in that “empty” week.

There’s definitely 3 episodes left, no matter how you split it… episode #9 has always been Blackwater, and #8 is next week. A quick perusal of HBO’s schedule shows that #10, “Valar Morghulis”, is due to air 6/3.

— Alan

The bit in the promo which aired on US HBO “only two episodes left” was an error. It was pulled from the later showing by HBO.

The changes to Jon’s arc continue. I still love the show - but D&D are now making some significant withdrawals from the “love bank”. I look forward to their explanations about this. Still, I’m unhappy about their continuing to paint Jon as a bumbler. He’s the larger than life hero in the novels. What they are doing here is not right.

Adapting the story is one thing, changing the character is another.

I disagree.

First off, a qualifier: I have only ever managed to make it through the first 150 or so pages of the first book in the series, so my impressions of Jon Snow are almost completely based off his portrayal in the series.

Snow, to me, is analogous to Tyrion. Both characters are perhaps the most fundamentally decent, morally-upstanding characters we’ve seen so far. They both inhabit a world that metes out brutal punishment for those of good morals and altruistic spirit. There are other characters of high moral fiber in the series so far, but all of the others have had strong, guiding hands to help them navigate the dangerous world. Tyrion and Snow are both outcasts. Everything they learn, they’ve had to learn for themselves by making mistakes and then surviving them and hoping to do better. Tyrion is blessed by being clever and cunning and quick with a joke. Snow isn’t particularly clever at all, but he is great in a fight, good-looking, and possesses a charisma of leadership.

For me, I see Jon as this incredibly heroic guy. He knows he’s screwing shit up, but still knows that he’s got to do the right thing. A more cunning fellow would know how to befriend Samwell without bringing on the scorn of the officers in the Watch. A smarter guy would’ve figured out a way to deal with Ygritte besides getting separated from the other Rangers and becoming hopelessly lost. A wiser man would’ve known that Ygritte would try to seduce him out of his solemn vows, and would’ve known those vows are likely violated by most men of the watch at whorehouses anyway. A more cunning man wouldn’t have let her walk him right into an ambush.

But so there he is…and he still seems damned heroic. He knows the moment he decides not to kill Ygritte that he’s fucking up and making his life incredibly difficult, but he won’t take the easy way out. He can join the crowd berating Samwell…but he just can’t do it even if that’s the path of least resistance.

He’s learning how to use his own gifts of his charisma, trusting nature, decency, and leadership to sort out the tough things his morality forces him into. The “bumbling” he finds himself in now should serve him well if he can survive it.

Adapting the story is one thing, changing the character is another.

I’ve had enough of Legolas sliding down the steps of Helm’s Deep on a shield firing two arrows at once. If Martin truly wrote Jon Snow larger than life, I think the show runners figured out a better way to characterize him.

Ok, ASOIAF fans.

Let’s say I’ve read up until about the point where Tyrion presents young Bran with the plans to make a saddle so that he can ride despite his legs, and that’s as far as I ever got reading the books.

Let’s also say that I’ve watched the first season of the show.

Any chance if I want to start reading I can avoid slogging through the first 150 pages of the first book for the umpteenth time and just jump into the second book?

Bad idea.

Just jump the 150 pages and restart where you left.

Since I’ve recently finished A Clash of Kings I’ll preventively say there’s no way they can pull Blackwater off. They just have no chance doing it well.

GRRM is writing the episode called Blackwater. I think it will be fairly impressive.

Watching season 1 is not a good substitute for reading A Game of Thrones. You’ll miss a lot of very important stuff, especially in the Ned chapters.

I just realised that The Hound isn’t Paddy Considine. Why did I think it was Paddy Considine??