Did you mean Robb with respect to the Boltons? Ned reined them in quite well, they didn’t pull any crap while he ran the North.

Did he? I thought it was an ill-kept secret that Bolton was a torturer and flayer.

That’s just it though, you get away with bad behavior by backing it up with other things, Jaime’s renown as a great sword fighter for instance. Tyrion has nothing to fall back on, so his poor behavior only draws disrespect and that’s probably the one thing his father really can’t tolerate(disrespect). Tywin did make him temporary hand of the king, so despite his overt attitude, Tywin obviously has tried to give Tyrion his chances, marriage to Sansa being another one.

Bart the bear for president of Westeros.

Joffrey disappointed me, I was hoping he’d show his grandpa his nutty side. I think maybe it might have gone that way but news of the dragons unsettled him, that took him off his game. That’s Tywin’s genius though, he’s always armed with the knowledge of what buttons to press.

Weakest episode of the season, but they’re doing a pretty good job setting up episode 9.

A poor episode.

Wow, it was Bart! I had assumed that the bear was CGI.

My sister is very good friends with the trainers (Doug Seus was best man at her wedding) and I’ve “met” Bart Jr. - at a safe distance - a couple times. With wild animals relatively easy to convincingly depict through CGI, Doug and his wife have not been in as much demand as they were with the original Bart’s days.

I wonder if they shipped Bart to Europe or filmed that scene in the US? I guess the latter, since anyone close to the bear would have been a stunt double.

So, given the emphasis placed on Theon losing his favorite thing - I think I’m right, but many people are still saying

Theon Spoiler

Theon was castrated.

I’m kinda struggling to remember what happened last night - I was pretty tired. I remember a rescue from a bear, and some sexy-time to loss of sexy time via knife. Oh yeah, some dragons were like…Rawwwwrrrr, dat’s my gold. Also, some bits about windmills being really neat, and 3 eyed crows that people would rather not hear about. Did anything of note happen that really moved the plot along in any interesting way?

Arya was kidnapped by the Hound whilst traipsing about in the wood, unattended.

Who is Theon’s captor and why is he torturing Theon?

(this is the spoiler thread I hope, I dont mind if you lay out some spoilers)

thanks

Another point of clarification… what is the Hound’s allegiance? Is the Hound the same as the Mountain?

why is his face scarred?


in other news why would anyone take King Baratheon’s bastard son as a rightful heir to the throne? certainly the Red Witch lady knows better than this…

Because he is the only one who has the actual king’s blood in him, unlike other people vying for the throne and the current king.

The Hound and the Mountain are brothers

The Hound’s face is scarred because the Mountain held his face in a fire - which is why the Hound is a little skittish around fire. And why he’s not super fond of his brother.

The Hound was serving Joffrey until he bailed during the Battle of Blackwater. At the moment his only allegiance is to himself.

This is something I really didn’t pick up on until this season: divine right of kings, and succession of kings, is a literal thing in this world. I didn’t realize last season when Melisandre birthed the smoke assassin that this required a king’s “contribution” until their discussion as she was leaving to find Robert’s bastard son (sorry, drawing a blank on the name). Which implies, I guess, that The Lord of Light observes and legitimizes the Tyrone’s occupier, even if the circumstances are a little sketchy. Blood will tell, as they say.

In season 1 we’re told (in an aside by Littlefinger) that The Hound was horribly burned/scarred by his brother (The Mountain) when the latter found that the former was playing with a toy without permission. This is important because a near-pathological fear of fire informs almost everything The Hound does.

It’s not well laid-out in the show, but almost all of Westros’ recent wars (before the current one) were caused because one Targaryen king acknowledged his bastard children, causing a succession crisis that reared its head every generation or two.

This is one of the (many) reasons that Lady Stark dislikes Jon Snow: elder bastard children are a legitimate threat to the succession of noble houses.


Didn’t hate this episode, but it was more a “move the story along” type of thing rather than one with a lot of great pieces.

I wonder if the letter that Talisa was writing (nekkid!) in bed was really to her mother? Should be a fun reveal later.

Any scene with Tywin in it is usually gold, and his throneroom chat with Joffrey was predictably good.

The Dany scenes were fine. The only down-side is that I guess we’ll be meeting the mercenary companies here soon, and I find all those characters to be annoying and largely time-wasters in the books.

The Jamie/Brianne stuff was pretty good overall, but I found the bear fight to be less exciting than what was depicted in the book. Pity.

The Jon/Ygritte scenes here were slightly better than the last few episodes, I thought… though the contrasting North/South got a little tiresome when he had to define “faint”. Do wildlings never collapse from hunger or stand up too quickly? Ever? I did like Snow’s warning her of the last six attempts by a King Beyond the Wall. The thing between the warg-guy and the redhead was okay.

This week’s torture-porn with Theon was a little more literal than normal, but my wife actually fast-forwarded through it once Ramsey showed up.

The King’s Landing stuff was just fine. Sansa finally realizes she’s an idiot, and Tyrion should rapidly be coming to the same conclusion about himself. Any scene with Bronn is gold.

The Arya scene was short and advanced the plot, so that’s fine, but I’ve got to say that for an elite group of hard-core outlaws, the BwB’s perimeter security is shit. Yet another scene with Bran and his bickering foster-family. Yay.

Melisandre’s interest in Gendry’s blood is far more literal. She sees him as a reagent, not a regent.

This may be the only series I have ever watched that I can actually enjoy watching it 2 or three times each week before the next episode. Television done oh so right.

This scene was probably my favorite in the episode, because of the way Sansa realizes how stupid she is, Margaery then reassures her as we expect. Then Sansa starts stupidly whining about the Lannister she has to marry, she’s whining to Margaery about this! Then at the end, the look Margaery gives her when Sansa asks if her mother taught her, I could hear the thoughts in Margaery’s head “Damn, Sansa, you are dense aren’t you?”.