This is great and I´m gonna have the north side bouncing around my head for hours now.

Dolorous Ed Tollett - haha, they will defend the wall to the last man, probably him. I like it.

I’d dispute that Cat is undead. Wights are undead. Cat just got brought back to life. Not sure what you’re basing the claim the Melisandre is undead either.

I’m pretty sure all of Cersei’s children will die. Maggy the Frog foretold that they all die, and her predictions have been pretty solid so far. I also think Jamie is the Valonqar and will ultimately kill Cersei.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’ve actually seen the last of Sandor Clegane. I also wouldn’t be shocked if he reappears. I kind of like the idea that his story is over now that he has found peace.

I don’t really like the theory that Tyrion is actually the son of Aerys. Rivers is the name the Riverlands bastards get, btw. A Westerlands bastard would be called Hill.

I think you might be right about Arya dying. The girl she was is more or less dead already, she’s just an engine of vengeance now. The ending to the series is supposed to be bitter-sweet, and Arya dying after killing someone important would work nicely. It will be sad.

Ohhh… we are definitely getting Robbwind, an image of it has leaked:

OMG, that image pisses me off. Heh, which is funny since I’ve imagined it in my head for the last 12.5 years, but seeing it like that. . . . The north remembers, you m’fn Freys!!! :/

Because Berric did not eat, Berric did not sleep, and Berric had very few memories of his life before he died. His wounds that caused his death did not really heal and scar over, rather, the wounds were still visible. The “fan-term” for his state of undeath is “firewight”. He was not truly alive and neither is Catelyn. Stoneheart was in far worse condition because she suffered so much brain damage given the passage of time between her death and her raising. She is now a creature of vengeance and hate - a revenant now. She can barely speak because the injury to her trachea is not healed by Berric’s breath of fire.

All of Berric’s characteristics are shared by Melisandre. GRRM tells us she’s undead with the other clues she provides in her only POV chapter in ADwD. She does not eat, except only occasionally to put those around her at ease. She does not digest her food. She does not EVER sleep, struggles to remember her real name (Melony, by the way). It also fits with her never being bothered by the cold and being immune to Cressen’s poison. The unnatural heat she gives off that Jon Snow feels is a product of her glamour. She is not able to conceive no matter how often she lies with Stannis. The only thing that her womb can give birth to is pretty monstrous :)

Come to think of it, I may be wrong in this recollection, but I believe she never passes through the Wall, either. She can walk on top, but not through it. Coldhands tells us that there are spells in the Wall which prevent him from passing through it. The only undead who do got through it are able to do so because they were carried by the living.

She’s undead, a firewight like Berric and Catelyn, but in far better shape because of how she died and when she was raised by the Temple of the Red God. I would speculate that she was deliberately killed as a priestess or slave acolyte and brought back to life almost immediately after her death, with minimal brain damage and without trauma to her person (poison killed her, probably). She reveals in her POV chapter that she is VERY old, so we already know her youthful appearance is the product of a glamour.

It all fits - and there is a reason that GRRM gives us a chapter with her POV. It’s so we can deduce this and, also, so that we can see she is misreading the signs and visions she sees and that her confirmation bias has blinded her to the truth that Jon Snow is Azor Ahai.

If you re-read her chapter carefully, I think you will agree.

GRRM starts his series by showing us the wights in his first prologue. He shows us in ACoK that the undead warlocks of Qarth extend their lives by preying upon the life force of the living. George shows us the Berric is not really alive. The wights are also not really alive, though the blue-glow to their eyes is a sign of some possession. Coldhands does not have this possession and is free-willed, but still very undead.

GRRM also shows us that those who are truly raised from the dead and restored to living, breathing, life – there is a catch. They do so without their mental faculties (Drogo) and are not able to procreate (Dany tries to have sex with veg-Drogo but his body cannot be stirred). GRRM also goes to great lengths in his prologue to ADwD to show us Varamyr Six-Skins second life. That was no mere coincidence. He’s telling his readers in ADwD to “chill out”.

Put it all together and we can see that Jon Snow will be left in the ice chambers below the wall to preserve his body (the bodies put there in that chamber are mentioned more than once in ADwD for no apparent purpose – it’s a subtle Chekov’s gun), that the Night’s Watch will have a funeral for him with the words “And now his watch is ended”. When that happens, the oath Jon Snow took is fulfilled. Mel must then raise Jon from the dead, restore his body to life like Karl Drogo (with a sacrifice) and then restore Jon’s consciousness to his body. Because he is a Warg, the animal is on hand and he will not as yet have lost his grip on his humanity, it can be restored in a way that Drogo’s could not. Jon Snow will be free from his Oath to the Night’s Watch and able to take the crown of the North, to lead the Wildlings as King Beyond the Wall – and to take the Iron Throne, too.

All of which means it does not look too good for the longevity of Ghost, who is Nissa Nissa and must be sacrificed in order for Azor Ahai to be reborn.

I’m sure the name of “Ghost” was just an coincidental name that GRRM chose from the very beginning, right?

I don’t really like the theory that Tyrion is actually the son of Aerys. Rivers is the name the Riverlands bastards get, btw. A Westerlands bastard would be called Hill.

Bastards with a noble name get that claim to nobility from their father. So being a King’s Landing bastard from Aerys, I believe the name would be “Rivers”. If he was Tywin’s bastard, he’d be a Hill.

If you read Tyrion’s very first chapter where he meets Jon at Winterfell, you will see that:

1 - “Then he saw the other one, waddling along half-hidden by his brother’s side. Tyrion Lannister, the youngest of Lord Tywin’s brood and by far the ugliest. All that the gods had given to Cersei and Jaime, they had denied Tyrion. He was a dwarf, half his brother’s height, struggling to keep pace on stunted legs. His head was too large for his body, with a brute’s squashed-in face beneath a swollen shelf of brow. One green eye and one black one peered out from under a lank fall of hair so blond it seemed white. Jon watched him with fascination.”

Jon 1, Game of Thrones

2- "Jon was in no mood for anyone’s counsel. “What do you know about being a bastard?”
“All dwarfs are bastards in their father’s eyes.”
“You are your mother’s trueborn son of Lannister.”
“Am I” the dwarf replied, sardonic. “Do tell my lord father. MY mother died birthing me, and he’s never been sure.”

Jon 1, Game of Thrones

3- Not only is he a dwarf, but his eyes are mismatched in colour, too. He’s a genetic mutant. This is a product of inbreeding on his father’s side.

4- “Remember this, boy. All dwarfs may be bastards, yet not all bastards need be dwarfs.” And with that he turned and sauntered back into the feast, whistling a tune. When he opened the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king.

Jon 1, Game of Thrones

From the very first scene, GRRM tells us the truth.

When Tywin dies, Tyrion misremembers his father’s last words as “Wherever whores go”. In fact:

“You always were quick to grasp a situation, my lord,” Tyrion said. “That must be why you’re the Hand of the King.”
“You… you are no… no son of mine.”
“Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I’m you writ small. Do me a kindness now, and die quickly. I have a ship to catch.”
For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death.

Tyrion 9, A Storm of Swords

The dragon has three heads. GRRM is not going to cook up yet another new Targ for us. We also know Aegon cannot be a true born Targ. If Varys had Aegon squirreled away, for real, Varys and Illyrio would have planned on restoring Aegon to the Throne from the outset as Aegon would be the heir to the Throne and the best claim. But they don’t do that, they instead bet on Viserys and ignore Dany altogether until it is too late. Only after Viserys is killed do they revert to “Aegon” as their “Plan B”. Jon Connington believes he is Aegon because Varys and Illyrio told him so, but that does not make it true. He is the “mummer’s dragon”. He’s false.

We are missing the third head of the dragon. Selmy has already hinted at Aerys lusting after Joanna and there is a period of time she is in King’s Landing without Tywin being there. She was raped and suffered in silence as to reveal the truth to Tywin would have caused Tywin to go to war against the Throne – and lose.

It also follows, consequently, that Tyrion is no kinslayer.

Wow, Steel, great writeup. I would also add to Tyrion’s section that when in Dance he fell into the river he drank that diseased water into his lungs and had to be resuscitated, whereas Connington comes down with the grey rot just from diving in and rescuing him. And don’t Targaryens have basically an immunity to common illnesses? To me that scene was the final straw in tipping me over into the Tyrion-is-a-Targ camp.

Edit: I’d also question your who lives/dies position on Myrcella. Doesn’t Maegy the Frog foresee that Cersei will live to see all three children dead?

Targs can get sick and die. There were a number of disease deaths that had to happen for Aegon the Unlikely, the fifth son of the fifth son, to take the throne.

Wow, Steel, great writeup

and a display of extreme fandom I have to say. I respect it but I can’t really say I’m interested.

In which book does this Maegy appear? I don’t remember her at all.

4th son of a 4th son. But I could swear there was something in the books about the Targs, though I’m probably wrong.

4th book, Cersei chapter. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, and when your tears have drowned you the valonqar shall wrap his hands around your neck (off the top of my head, and valonqar is Valyrian for little brother, which helps explain why she fears Tyrion so much. . .but she was born before Jaime).

Oh oh, tnx.

To join the predictions: I say the Mountain will fight Jaimie and Jaimie will win.

Didn’t Bryn(the tree guy) predict Bran that he will never walk again, but he will fly?

Interesting post, Steel Wind. Why would Jon have any interest in taking the Iron Throne? The Tyrion stuff isn’t that persuasive; you could definitely be right, but those quotes are pretty circumstantial. Generally though, that’s thorough analysis, and feels pretty convincing. But boy, I am not that into the idea of this whole series turning into high fantasy: secret origins, birth rights, the restoration of the Aryans, domesticated dragons, POV characters joining into a superteam…

The quote is from Dany herself in ADwD when she is heading out into the diseased riven camps around Mereen - at least her belief in her resistance to disease. Even if true, it does not mean that the Targs are resistant to all diseases.

Whether this is a factor in Tyrion not getting greyscale or not is unknown. It’s another piece of evidence in favor, to be sure.

As for Maggy the Frog’s prophecy about the death of Cersei’s children – I had forgotten about that. Perhaps Myrcella dies as well. sigh

As for Jon Snow and the Iron Throne… I don’t think he will go looking for it initially, but it will be thrust upon him in the end. He didn’t go looking to be King in the North either – but Robb legitimized his birth and declared him his heir. That document has been hanging in place for two books. It might even hang for much of the next one, too. But that was a carefully placed plot hook which has been in suspension for 13 years. It’s coming into play sooner or later in the book series (the TV series has ignored that plot hook).

As for how Jon’s lineage comes out - GRRM has already set that up for us. Howland Reed was there and knows the truth. In addition, Barristan Selmy must know that Lyanna had been pregnant and that the child was a legal heir, why else put three KingsGuard to guard the Tower of Joy and leave only one for Aerys? If the King’s Guard were there, including the Lord Commander, there had to be a damned good reason for it. Selmy was recovering form the Battle at the Trident, but the fate of his fellow King’s Guard including the Bull and Ser Arthur Dayne would not have been “lost triva” to Ser Barristan.

This does not mean that Selmy has necessarily put two and two together to know Jon’s true parents- though he may well have. He would not have gone to Jon to serve him as Jon was at the time of Selmy’s dismissal from Joff’s service a sworn brother of the Night’s Watch and thus had no claim to the Throne anymore. So Selmy’s actions, while interesting, are still equivocal.

Most importantly, GRRM has given Bran the ability to see into the past through the eyes of a Heart tree. Rhaegar and Lyanna declaring their vows before a Heart Tree without even a witness was a legal marriage in the North, and legal marriage custom in the Seven Kingdoms follows the bride’s law – not the groom’s. The Targ’s can take three wives and still bne legal, so we know that fact has been hanging since it emerged in the first book. It’s another Checkov’s gun. Inevitably, Bran will come to know the truth before series end.

Conveniently, Bran is also someone that Samwell Tarly has met and can find again. Assuming the Wall is no barrier to the Candle’s functioning; that remains in doubt, given Jon’s inability to sense Ghost through the Wall. We are told by GRRM that this is an important detail many years ago at a convention reading – though WHY it was important was never explained by the author. If it does work, using a Glass Candle, Tarly can ultimately communicate across the land in real time, and then telephathically using the Glass Candle to tell Jon what he knows, all without leaving Old Town.

So… in the next two books Jon and Danerys meet, fall in love, bang, rule Weteros and change the world?

I kinda don’t want that to happen at all.

I don’t see it happening like that. A political marriage is possible, but at this rate, Dany’s legs are spreading nearly as often as Margaery’s. More importantly, I don’t see Dany surviving all of this. She’s The Mother of Dragons, but that does not mean her shapely ass will ever grace the Iron Throne. We all strongly suspect Jon’s claim is better, too.

Moreover, if Jon claims the Throne and has a dragon to back it up (enter Brandon Stark, uber_Warg, or possibly, even Jon the Warg himself) then we don’t have to get to the lived happily ever after part. We might even have the Starks kill off the white-haired Targ moment for all we know, or at the least, take advantage of a death for another reason.

I have a hard time seeing Jon AND Dany survive this without a marriage; and that marriage has far too much of a fairy tale feel for GRRM. “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”

Jon’s already dead. GRRM raises him only to kill him off again? Nah, I don’t see that. Hence, Dany does not make it. Why? Who knows.

Rampant Unbridled Speculation: What happens if Arya is dispatched by the Faceless Men to kill the Mother of Dragons? Would that count as a bittersweet ending and a “who the hell do we cheer for” plot train?

I dunno, I always assumed it’d be Dany and Jon. The “Song of Fire and Ice” can quite literally be imposed on their stories so far. Fighting a massive invasion from the North, the need for her dragons and a political understanding is considerable. If they were both Targs, I guess that’d make it a lot easier all things considered.

— Alan

Better yet, Jon. Stick them with the pointy end, and she uses Needle to do it. Jon takes the throne, is assassinated by Arya, and then Tyrion takes the thone (his shadow did stand as tall as a king’s there for a moment in book 1) since he’s Aerys’ bastard.

Honestly, joking aside, I don’t see any of them surviving. GRRM said years ago no one is going to predict accurately who sits the throne when the story ends, so that obviously rules out the obvious candidates like Jon, Dany, etc.

Back to the TV show. I enjoyed the last episode but I really, really think they lost a great opportunity by not bringing the un-Cat back.

can someone do an explain it to me like I’m five and talk about who the hell the guy is that has Theon, why he has him, and what he is such an asshole? I didn’t understand any of the gibberish during the 30 second info-dump from Michael Bolton.

He’s Bolton’s Bastard (Sounds like a great band name), Ramsey. He has him because the people that followed Theon to Winterfell handed him over to Ramsey.

I’m guessing he’s an asshole because he wants to give Joffrey a run for his money in the “be an asshole for no reason.”

I think the best line of the night was "Youv’e sent the most powerful man in Westeros to bed without his dinner.