I don’t understand why this “changes everything” we knew about the story. The old legends are actually true? Duh! I thought that was a pretty obvious thing in the books.
Heh, that guy is way, way more surprised about Old Nan’s tales than he should be at this point. This is hardly the first thing she mentioned that turned out to be true. I’m pretty much expecting to see herds of snarks and grumkins roaming Westeros by the time we get to the last book.
This same name was also dropped by, I think, Rolling Stone. So I’m pretty sure it’s the accidentally-on-purpose type of leak.
You, sir, have a much higher tolerance for entirely gratuitous acts of violence like rape than I do. Last night’s episode following on the Jaime-Cersei rape and the internal quota the producers obviously have for violence against women and children does not make for good TV IMO. At least TV I care to watch. It’s not like most of the characters are handled with any real nuance or subtlety. The Red Viper is rumored to be bi in the books, but in the show it’s all IN YOUR FACE WITH MY BI-SEX-U-ALI-TY, 24/7, EVERY SCENE. It’s just bad writing that I dislike, not deviations from massive books that couldn’t be 100% faithfully translated even if handled by people with the necessary talent to do so.
Edit: I would add that I truly expected a statutory rape scene between Margaery and Tommen. They clearly foreshadowed it with the convo between her and grandma. And we are talking about the folks that brought us that classy scene in season 2 of Littlefinger wiping semen from a prostitute’s mouth before she kissed a different customer. Because the producers have stated their interpretation of Littlefinger is that of a pimp; they apparently read a different set of books than I did.
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You’re going to keep watching, though, right?
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I think the 3rd and 4th episodes were slower than the first two. But I liked the changes from the books in the 4th episode, if only because it adds an unknown element to the show. The only change that really bothers me is the Locke character.
HBO were left red-faced when they had to change an online synopsis for the latest episode of Game Of Thrones because it revealed the name of a key character from the book.
At the end of Sunday/Monday night’s episode, Oathkeeper, viewers were introduced to what looked like the leader of the White Walkers, but were never offered a name for the terrifying creature.
But the mystery surrounding this figure was ruined by the fact HBO’s GOT website had accidentally revealed that he is in fact the Night’s King - a fearless warrior, who was named the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.
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The specific scene of the Night’s King collecting the last son of Craster and turning him into a Walker never features in George R.R. Martin’s book but he is a major figure in A Song Of Ice And Fire.
According to the ASOIAF wiki page, ‘the Night’s King lived during the Age of Heroes, not long after the Wall was complete. Later he fell in love with a woman “with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars,” he chased her and loved her though “her skin was cold as ice”, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.’
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I wonder if this is Benioff and Weiss going off-script or if this is future book plot info that GRRM has apparently given them?
I dunno, I’ve got mixed feelings about the novelty. On the one hand, I appreciate things have to be changed, and I kind of trust B&W based on what they’ve done so far with the show and on past record (I just watched 25th Hour again recently, great film, scripted by Benioff); on the other hand, I don’t want them to stray too far from GRRM’s story. Locke I’m ok with (he’s a placeholder for the Bolton stuff, with which there isn’t much action in the books until later), but that last scene, while well done and chilling (haha), made me a bit uncomfortable.
On the other hand, maybe it’s just a WW version of Ros.
Wow, it sounds like a lot of people are disappointee with the way the show is going. I’m enjoying it more and more.
For one thing, seeing things is all important. You want subtle characterizations, go read the books again. The story on the tv show needs to move, the books can have long stretches where nothing much happens because that’s the nature of books. On the tv show you can’t leave it hanging as to who shot JR unless your plot needs for that mystery to be resolved at a later time. In this case, there’s no plot reason to keep the audience guessing about it, it’s not going to payoff later if the audience is kept in the dark. The women chanting, I appreciated that because it tells the audience what those women think about the babies being taken out there. It’s an insight into what has gone on there.
I also think this episode shows why Jaime’s actions in the last episode were understandable. That was his last grasp at the old Jaime, at being who he was(bad guy) as opposed to who he might be(better guy). He would have gone back to being evil Jaime, that was his first choice. So that’s what he tried to do. Judging by how repulsive so many people found that action, I’d say it was good writing. The audience was seeing the guy who pushed a kid off a tower. However, we see in this last episode when he meets Cersei again, that he has given up on that. Now he knows he can’t go back, he sees there really wasn’t anything to go back to. So then he takes another step on the path to the new Jaime, uncertain as to whether this path will work out any better than the old one.
I felt it was essentially Jaimie’s episode. The Jaimie v. Tyrion, Bronn, Cersei and Brienne bits were the best bits. It was both sad and uplifting when he saw Brienne off with cool sword and armor, and you got the feeling he’d made his decision on whether to carry on with his redemptive arc or not, and that he’s going to try and do the honourable thing from now on.
I think all the child actors are 2-3 years older than their characters are supposed to be.
At the start of season 1 vs the books:
The Stark Children Robb and Jon are 17 instead of 15. Bran is 10 instead of 7 and Rickon’s age is increased from 3 to 6. Sansa 13 instead of 11 and Arya is 11 instead of 9.
The Royal children are older: Joffrey is 16 instead of 13, Myrcella is 12 instead of 8 and Tommen is 10 instead of 6. Daenerys is 16 instead of 13.
Ha.
That is copy pasta…however…I did know exactly where to go to get it. lol
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Also the actor who plays Margaery Tyrell is 32. How on earth is that even possible?
Also GRRM has pretty much admitted admitted that even in the books the child characters should all be aged 3 years or so. GRRM is not so great with the whole numbers thing, plus I think abandoning his original plan to do a 5 years later bit screwed things up.
I thought they said Daenerys was 18 so we wouldn’t feel so awkward about her nude scenes.
She also guest starred last season on Elementary. What’s creepy is that she completely looked her age in that show (in a good way, I mean). And then in GoT she shows up looking like a kid. It’s freaky.
Well the joke’s on them, I felt awkward anyway!
That’s because the show is extra rapey.
There’s that, but it’s also a huge legal issue, especially since the show is broadcast is so many countries.
Do you know how many TV shows about high schoolers have those high schoolers played by people in their late 20s and 30s? (Hint, it’s a lot.)
There’s a reason why actor CVs usually mention the age range they can play. Makeup does wonders.
