Didn’t realize this board was full of experts in Medieval weaponry fighting tactics. I’ll have to keep that in mind if I ever want to further research the subject. :P

Welcome! You must be new to the internet. ;)

I do agree that the fight between Jon and Karl seemed kind of disjointed, but the impression I got from the books was that although Valyrian steel is stronger than most metals in that world, its main advantages were 1) never rusts, nor needs sharpening, and 2) functions similar to Obsidian (Dragonstone in this world?) in that it can kill Others easily. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong. :)

Basic physics, dude. Though I did take several fencing courses with an Olympic medalist as the instructor back in the mid-80s, so from now on I’d appreciate it if you referred to me as Syrio.

Here’s a webpage to get you started :)

I thought it was weak for the season overall but still great relative to almost everything else I watch. Hound-Arya scenes continue to be my favorite.

OMG, there goes my evening.

I was finally able to watch this last night along with The Wife. Not a terrible episode, but a bit weak comparatively. Still, the worst GoT episode is better than 90% of the alternatives.

The King’s Landing scenes were mostly drudge-work: we see Cersei interacting with her father, with Margery, with Oberon. We get a little more set-up for the Iron Bank scenes that are apparently coming next week. No Dinklage.

Dany finds she needs to stay in Slaver’s Bay and crush dissidents. Let’s hope that’s more interesting in the show than it was in the books.

Most of the stuff in the Eyrie was cringe-worthy, and thus very effective. Crazy Aunty Lysa and her warped kid doing the whole bipolar thing with Sansa sitting in the middle of the storm. You feel uncomfortable and hate to watch or listen… but in a good way. It’s like a Ben Stiller movie; but one of the good ones.

The only thing in there that was a bit “off” was the whole exposition thing where Lysa confesses in detail to killing her first husband… to the guy that told her to do it. I understand the necessity of that, but man did it seem ham-handed. Anyone remember how they handled that reveal in the books?

The Arya/Hound show is always fun to watch. Their relationship is just so wonderfully dysfunctional.

The Brienne/Pod show was good and bad. Some of the stuff showing Pod’s ineptitude was fine, like the horse thing, but it’s difficult to imagine someone his age in Westros not knowing that they have to skin a rabbit before cooking it. I did like the scene where Pod relates the story of the Battle of the Blackwater; Gwendoline Christie had some great reaction shots throughout.

I actually enjoyed most of the stuff related to Crater’s Keep in this episode. It was fun to see some of Jojen’s visions, though they did have kind of a “sound stage” quality to them… perhaps intentionally. I could have done without the almost-rape of Meera; I’m pretty sure I already disliked Karl plenty without that scene driving the point home.

I really liked the scene with Hodor being possessed - nicely communicated to the audience, and a great link to the line by Rast last episode: “If I had [your body], I’d be king.” I also liked Hodor’s horror at what he had just been made to do. Interestingly, I think that might have been the first life that Bran has taken - he didn’t show too much emotion at having half-ripped a guy’s head off. I wonder if we’ll see some fallout from that?

On Jon Snow’s duel with Karl, I never would have given it a second thought if not for the thread above: a skilled knife-fighter is going against a guy with a big sword in close quarters. If anything, it simply gave the lie to the Hound’s observation that a “big fucking sword” and armor trumps all.

Actually, what annoyed me was the “street brawl” fighting that erupted in the courtyard. The Night’s Watchmen charge in against an unprepared and theoretically drunken group of opponents and immediately pair off into a set of “fair” fights instead of doing the obvious thing and ganging up on the mutineers one after the other.

Yeah, the way the start of the battle unfolded kind of annoyed me. I figured they would silently take the outliers and we wouldn’t see a pitched battle until the alarm was raised. Instead they came charging and screaming all barbarian-style. Wasn’t much of a vote of confidence for the crows’ tactics.

I think that they were starved for a battle scene this season, and wanted something.

The sheer disbelief and horror on Hodor’s face were perfect. Also, glad they were able to move around that story diversion just fine. Also, Ghost is back!

That fight between Karl and Jon was kinda dumb, and of course ended in the most gruesome and dumbest way possible. Why would you stab through someone’s head that was in that position, with an innocent person right below. I would assume a clean strike to the head would have been faster. But I guess we know this show has a weird obsession with people being stabbed through the back of their heads. The combat was completely dumb too, I don’t know anything about medieval combat, but I do know that Jon Snow is considered one of the best swordsmen that we see in the series. For him to take his time on this knife guy was weird. Especially when it is juxtaposed with the little advice that the Hound gives to Arya. Big sword and armor save the day! (Unless you are Jon Snow fighting some gutter trash from Kings Landing) Also, I would think that pretty much any heavy swing with that sword would have broken those daggers/short sword in half. The sword that Jon has is HUGE, and would probably just knock someone down trying to parry it.

Who knows. I guess they needed a good long swordfight, they could have made it more believable by the guy fighting a bit dirtier.

I was glad the show decided to go back to things for a bit, but overall the episode treaded water. Which is a worry, because the books do that a bit.

Though, form the looks of the preview for next week, the Asha/Yara stuff is going to be happening a lot sooner than thought (Isn’t that from book 5?)

That’s what I thought too. It seemed pretty obvious that a big sword in a confined space would be as much of a liability as small daggers out in the open. I assumed that was the point of making Karl a skilled user of daggers.

I don’t think this is actually revealed in the books, but I have found reading this thread that I missed some important things in the book so hopefully someone else has a definite answer.

As long as we’re nitpicking about the subtleties of sword fighting, I can see how using a long blade might cause problems in close quarters. The solution would be to show him bumping into things and generally unable to swing the blade freely.

It’s here. Includes spoilers for people who haven’t read the books yet.

Aha! Thanks! Apparently, my memory is not to be trusted anymore. :(

Creepy Uncle peter.

Just because a character like the Hound says something doesn’t mean it is true.

It is. Though it happens as part of Lysa’s “final scene” near the Moon Door. It’s one of the reasons she leaves flying.

Just read the SPOILER Wiki and learned

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how Tyrion kills Tywin and finds Shae in Tywin’s bed…

and other spoilerific fun. There goes 3 hours of my night! Once you start reading you can’t stop.

I wonder if that is going to make it to the show. I always felt like that was some of Martin’s weakest writing. Tywin fucking a whore? That his midget son fucked? Impossible to believe that. Also, nothing in Shae’s character to that point would point to her betraying Tyrion the way she did during his trial.