Along with what JFrazer says above, I think you can also plausibly read it as: the captain taps his nose saying he’s got information for gold. Instead of paying him for the information they torture it out of him. Why? Because by trying to sell information that he was presumably paid not to sell or share, he shows he’s a dishonorable scumbag whose life ain’t worth shit. (i.e. regardless of it being information they want, he disgusts them for being prepared to sell it, even if it was Jaimie Lannister who paid for the silence.)

That’s all I got for ya.

My complaint is you can move the plot along without making dumb decisions like the ones we’re seeing this season.

The reason I’d kill the captain is he’s playing both sides, smuggling in Jaime then selling him out. You can’t trust that guy, and now he knows that you know Jaime is roaming around. If I were in their shoes I might not want anyone else to have that info or know I have that info. And this guy has proven he can’t keep his mouth shut. As far as chasing away future informers, well not unless they make it public knowledge which I saw nothing to indicate this was their plan.

Don’t Martin still have a say in the over arching plot and how things go? Just a few pages up thread, there was a link to an interview which he clearly said he will not let other authors have a hand in the world he built. I’d think that he probably plotted the death of GW and Barristan and he probably had a whole chapter dedicated to it. Probably just D&D rushed execution of that scene. I agree, a lot more thoughts should be put to planning that scene to uphold the quality of the series. Is there no outcry from fans everywhere? Surely QT3 is not the minority here.

There’s some degree of unrest at the shoddy execution of their death over at the ASoIaF forums.

Heh, thanks. Probably not enough to cause Martin or D&D to make a statement. I’m following Martin’s blog and no mention of this.

Eh, I guess this is a possibility… and it would explain the scorpions. But didn’t the dialog imply that he had already sold them the info? I don’t get the impression that Dorne is a place where selling secrets is particularly looked down upon or would earn you the scorpion-bucket if you get caught, but maybe it is.

JFrazer’s idea - they they don’t want him blabbing/selling the info to anyone else - is pretty plausible, but it doesn’t explain the scorpion-bucket. It also begs the question as to what they did with the other sailors on the ship… maybe there are a LOT of scorpion-buckets littering the desert.

So I guess GoT is officially jumping the shark now…

If you thought the Sand Snakes bit had casting issues…

A bit slower episode:

Stannis/Jon Snow at the Wall. Snow’s leaving for Hardhome feels very rush but can’t be helped I suppose. Why is Stannis correcting grammar under his breath? Seems an odd choice for him. Overall, I think Stannis has been strong this season.

Sansa/Boltons at Winterfell. More T&A that doesn’t advance the plot at all. Sansa not being very smart and insulting her hosts. Would have been much more powerful if she met Theon at dinner for the first time instead of in the kennel. I think it’s out of character for Roose to announce Fat Walda’s pregnancy – it makes her an obvious target for Ramsay to kill. Roose knows his son is a psychopath, and unless Roose actually wants to piss off the Freys why put her in harm’s way?

A big woman like that actually has a chance of carrying a pregnancy to term with no one the wiser which would be the safest thing for her. I’m going to be chagrined if a book reader with a better memory shows me where Roose actually discloses Fat Walda’s pregnancy in the books but it seems like a needless provocation to Ramsay. And in the scene, it definitely was an attempt to provoke.

Jump the shark thought: Does Roose want Ramsay to kill Fat Walda so that he can then execute Ramsay for the murder and marry Sansa himself?

Jorah/Tyrion - Valyria was disappointing visually. I thought the Stone Man scene was fine, the dragon looked great.

Dany - Dragons looked great. One minute she wants trials for everyone and now its guilt by association and death by fire. Demonstrates that she’s lost without Barristan I suppose. Forcing Hizahr to marry her is an odd reversal from the text, but I think it works, particularly if construed as another example of her losing her way after Barristan’s death.

Grey Worm and Missandei - Ugh. Just painful to watch. Doesn’t advance the plot at all and the romance isn’t compelling in the slightest. Huge disservice to both of these characters. As far as the worst misuse of precious screen time this subplot is the king. As bad as it is now – this dumb romance isn’t over which means we have more pain down the road.

Aemon drops another hint about R+L=J with Jon standing in the doorway, if it wasn’t obvious last week, it is now. Who is sending messages to Aemon. Varys? Seems like a risky move for Varys to just “keep Aemon in the loop”, if so. It advertises his whereabouts and Varys would have no idea when he sent the message about who else is at Castle Black or indeed if Master Aemon is even alive.

One day you’re about to be eaten by dragons, the next day the mother of dragons frees you from prison, gives you want you want and throws her own ass into the pot to sweeten the deal. I bet that dude can’t wait to see what happens on day 3.

Missed last week’s episode, so I just saw both that and the latest tonight. Apparently I’m way behind the curve here, but that scene with Sansa and Littlefinger in the crypt is the first time that I put together the whole “hey, maybe Jon is Lyanna’s kid, not Eddards” thing. Not enough reading of the Internet (and that’s a good thing), but I finally caught on. The kiss and the “I’ll be a married woman” line also made me wonder if maybe they’ve gotten past first base. If he’d gotten her pregnant, maybe this gambit with marrying her to a Bolton makes a little more sense from his perspective. Best case Stannis takes the north and he comes back to marry Sansa, with a hold on both the North and the Eyrie. If Stannis fails, then they fall back on her getting married and finding a way to take out the Boltons without worrying about her carrying a Bolton child. It works without her being pregnant, but not quite as smoothly. Leaving to go south is a gamble to be sure, but if he knows something to cause the Lannisters grief (like, oh I don’t know, maybe proof of incest…do we really think he didn’t know?) and can get into a position to either blackmail them or use it to buy favor with their enemies, he’s sitting in an awfully good spot in all areas. All of this requires quite a bit of imagination, I grant you, but the multi-level intrigue and high-stakes gambling is in character for Littlefinger and his actions make more sense than they did two weeks ago.

I thought the bit with Theon/Reek and Sansa in the kennel and at dinner was pretty well done. Ramsey being an ass was nicely in character; it’s not wise to be physically sadistic so he’s working Sansa over mentally. Nice that they reminded us of the existence of Bran and Rickon, even though we’re not getting anything in their storyline this season. Then the bit where Roose puts Ramsey in his place with the “oh she’s pregnant” bit worked nicely as well, although that sure feels like a mistake by Roose unless he just wants Ramsey to be plotting to kill off ol’ Walda. Maybe he does, as was mentioned above.

The Sand Snakes feel like an add-on, thrown in to make the Jamie-Bronn thing more interesting. I did read the books (though it’s been long enough that I remember broad strokes rather than details), but if I hadn’t then I’d be wondering why they exist in the story at all. Horrible job at introducing them and the acting doesn’t impress, at least not yet. They’ll have to do something awfully cool in the second half of the season to be worth the screen time.

The Sons of the Harpy/Unsullied fight scene started off pretty bad, given that the Unsullied looked like rank amateurs when they’re supposed to be super-top-flight soldiers and all. Once it was down to just Grey Worm, then it made more sense, and Ser Berristan dying made sense to me as he was old, ill-equipped, and badly outnumbered. The thing between GW and Missandei is just awful…having them be friends would be fine but they keep throwing this sexual tension in that makes no sense whatsoever. I was actually hoping he’d die mainly so they’d stop it, but no such luck.

Disappointed in the lack of Arya, but at least we saw some dragons. The meal-of-roasted-master scene for Dany’s captive two worked well, I thought. And having Drogon fly above Jorah and Tyrion was pretty cool. Speaking of whom, I was mildly surprised they didn’t end the episode at the Tyrion drag-down, seemed like exactly the kind of cliff-hanger these shows love. Sick Jorah didn’t have the same punch.

Glad to see they have Stannis on the move, and Jon doing something more than sitting around Castle Black. I liked the scene where Jon turned down Melisandre, especially the know-nothing line at the end. Nice to see there’s someone in this epic that is willing to turn down sex when it’s a really bad idea. The Stannis-and-daughter scene was a nice humanizing touch for him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s setup for a choice between his daughter and sacrificing her in some way for victory. On Jon’s end, they did a pretty good job of showing how unpopular it is to be bringing in the wildlings, and set up the potential for all sorts of infighting once they get south of the wall.

Most of the King’s Landing stuff felt pretty boring, just setup for the inevitable explosion between the Tyrell and Lannister camps. The maneuvers by Cersei (get rid of Mace Tyrell on the mission to the bank, piss off Margary via the arrest of Lorras) were interesting and all, but it all just begs for the other shoe to drop. Unlike some I didn’t mind too much that the Sparrows focused on the homosexual relationships, because they’ve already established that it’s a major taboo, enough that even the high-born had to at least pretend to hide it until very recently. It makes perfect sense that a hard-line religious organization that finds itself suddenly with power and the support of the rulers would crack down hard on that particular depravity. They’d probably have a pretty poor opinion of incest, too, if someone happened to bring it to their attention. Don’t have to read any books to see that coming.

Other than the Dorne stuff (which I actually really enjoyed the books, I know I’m in the minority!) which they are doing dirty, I’ve started enjoying this season a lot more with eps. 4 and 5. Some great stuff. Both the Wall+Stannis and Sansa are infinitely more watchable than they ever have been… those plot arcs definitely get my vote for most improved, and Dany is starting to pick up for the first time since she freed the Unsullied a thousand hours ago.

Some quick, spoiler-free thoughts -

  • Although Sansa’s storyline has been greatly improved, I feel like they made a mis-step tonight. She was far to open with her emotions at the otherwise flawless dinner table scene. It was either a writing or a directing choice, because it was clearly deliberate, but it felt like a mistake to show her so weak after establishing that she is on an arc to becoming Littlefinger’s protege.

  • Jorah Connington! Get hype!

  • Lots of fodder for the theory that Dany will be revealed as the ultimate human “villain”, beginning well-meaning but becoming a tyrant and possibly outright insane. The Mad King approves of your actions. I’ve always subscribed to this theory anyways, as it’s really the only ending that makes sense within the context of the world. Jon and Dany aren’t getting married and ruling together, no matter how many people ship it. It isn’t going to wrap up that nicely.

Yeah, I’m starting to go with the flow of what they’re doing. I honestly think that very little of what they write ad hoc is anywhere near as good as any plot/character GRRM hath written, but it’s good enough keep the tv show rolling as still a great tv show.

I actually mellowed a bit to the Missandei/GW stuff - I mean yeah, it’s useless filler from the point of view of the over-arching plot, but the situation itself and the actors are charming enough, especially now that they’re kissing.

I thought Ramsay was magnificent in this episode, such a good actor. Loved all that stuff. Particularly loved Roose reminding us (in his story about Ramsay’s birth) that he’s just as much of a sadistic bastard as Ramsay, which is good, because it’s tempting to kind of like Roose now and then; this episode reminded us of why we shouldn’t.

The Meereen stuff was good, I enjoyed the turn-around re. who instigates the marriage. The dragons and roast Master were a bit of bloody, charred excellence.

Jon: all moving along nicely. That bit where he takes the chains off Giantsbane was really cool. Stannis stuff, nice too, particularly the scene with Samwell (“keep reading” lol). It was good to have lots of reminders of the WW and the impending doom - it’s often been lost sight of in the past 4 seasons.

Jorah and Tyrion, fantastic, especially for filling in tv viewers with back lore that we book readers have just absorbed by osmosis - I thought the CGI Valyria looked perfect, and the Stone Men bit reminded me of how GRRM is fond of re-jigging traditional fantasy/gaming concepts, it’s like a typical attack by monsters in a D&D session or something (not that that bit is in GRRM, but the characters he invented lend themselves to it).

All in all, I felt this episode was a bit slow moving (probably just a bit too much Bolton/Wall stuff in proportion), but it was still gripping and had lots of cool detail.

I really thought this was one of the best episodes this season. Not a lot of action, but unlike last week’s action-packed installment, it really felt like the overall plot was advanced a great deal this time.

The Dany stuff was a lot better than the endless talking and self-loathing from the books. Hidzar seems a lot more sympathetic in the show than in the books, and I like the role-reversal of her ordering him to marry her. The dragon-feeding seems to go away from her earlier stand on fair trials and how she is not the law, but I guess having one of your most trusted friends murdered might change your point of view a bit. I do hope that it come back to bite her a bit, no pun intended.

The Jon and Stannis show was fun to watch. Aemon telling Jon to cowboy up and grow a pair was decent, but it’s not like Jon’s been moping around or anything.

Like Hidzar, I really find myself liking the show’s version of Stannis more than the book’s version… and that’s not necessarily a good thing. I believe that GRRM wrote Stannis to be hard and unyielding to a fault - a man who was more concerned with doing stuff according to the rules than doing what is right. But the show-Stannis seems simply to be pragmatic and not particularly emotive… but not emotionless or even amoral. And I’ve got to say, even taking Dany into account, he seems like the best choice to sit on the Iron Throne right now. I wonder if he’ll live through the season?

The Sansa stuff… I think I like it. Sansa is showing that she’s changed from the terrified meek thing that she was in King’s Landing. Yes she’s surrounded by murderers and psychopaths, but I like the fact that she’s not letting them ruffle her… and then lets them know that she isn’t letting them get to her. I’m looking forward to Brienne’s rescue attempt in a few episodes… I wonder how it will fail?

The GW/ex-slave girl stuff… eh, I know that people think it’s filler, but my wife enjoys their scenes a great deal.

Finally, the Jorah/Tyrion stuff. Nice backstory about Valyria, and I thought the ruins looked very impressive, especially the aqueduct. It’s nice that we don’t have to wade through all the Griff nonsense and the fake heir crap. Cool that Tyrion has to go through forced detox on his heroes’ journey.

i though Grey Worm’s scene worked well because it explains why he was not as badass as everyone thought he should be in that fight. He’s distracted and confused. So he and the Unsullied weren’t on their A game.

This felt like a nice progression: Sansa causes some disruption for Ramsay, which leads to Ramsay being Ramsay at the table, which leads to his displeased father putting him in his place. The announcement is not really a bad idea. Look at it this way, this kid not only has to make it through pregnancy but also many years of life in order to be problem for Ramsay. So the only way hiding the fact she’s pregnant makes sense is if Roose also plans to hide the existence of his new son for the next 15 years or so. No, you just make the announcement and let the chips fall where they may, since that’s what is going to happen anyways.

Stannis and Sam were an odd combination for a scene but I liked it. Stannis of course focuses on soldiering but just when you think he’s sneering at Sam, he instead points out he knows Sam killed a white walker and looks impressed when Sam casually tosses out that he’s seen that army.

I don’t think Brienne would send a goofy “light a candle in the highest window of the tower” message. That has to be someone else.

All in all I thought it was a topnotch episode, I can feel the vise squeezing these people more and more.

It’s interesting to see non-book readers slowly change their opinions about Stannis.

There are really only two possible things that can explain Stannis this season from a TV perspective. 1) The writers finished the season plot outline and realized Stannis was key and had to be made a bit more likeable, or 2) Brienne is going to kill him in episode 9 or 10, and they want a stronger audience reaction by humanizing him more.

I’m guessing that Stannis will be Fortinbras - pop in at the very end and clean house after all the more major characters burn themselves out in the coming Ice/Fire-pocalypse. And that someone on the show has decided that since Stannis ends up with all the marbles, he needs to be more sympathetic. (Which kind of misses the point of Fortinbras - he’s supposed to be an empty suit to make you feel the death of everyone else in the play even more.)

Stannis has always supposed to have been likeable to the readers (even though he murdered renly in a very horrible way) because he does what is right, and he recognizes the correct priorities. (He is rightful heir, and he actually gives a shit about things north of the wall) He is the first person with any power to actually listen to Jon Snow, and give a shit about the wildlings/white walkers. He is still kind of a garbage person, but at least he knows how to listen to people smarter than him and change his decision making. This is a skill we have seen very few leaders in Westeros have. You kinda root for the guy, because he gets dicked out of the throne by Joffrey, and the fact that people don’t like him (he makes tough decisions). He is kind of a No-BS king, like a less-likeable Ned Stark.

It’s weird because on one hand, Stannis listens to counsel, does what’s right at The Wall, prioritizes retaking the North, and offers steady (if hard) justice.

On the other hand, he lets his pet witch burn people alive and conjure up a demon to kill in his name.