I really enjoyed the battle scene - makes the horrible fight scenes in Dorne and Mereen stand out even more so. Cool to see confirmed what has long been a theory about Valyrian steel and Others.

  1. Castle Black. Ugh, Olly. Way too much of him. We get it already. Jebus. This far into the season we have seen and heard more from Olly than from Prince Doran, that just doesn’t seem right.

  2. Winterfell. Sansa tells Theon that she’d torture him for being a traitor but the episode before she was willing to trust him with an escape plan. Writers are completely lost at sea here. Sansa is now just a plot device. Ramsay is going to lead a suicide mission of 20 men – when did he become suicidal all of sudden? Even if he thought he could actually get close enough to Stannis to kill him does he really think he’d survive the roundtrip? I guess this is how they’re going to remove Ramsay from the equation.

  3. Mereen. I thought the Dany/Tyrion scenes were flat. This is a huge encounter between two major characters and it felt underwhelming. I compared it to when Tywin and Olenna met - I thought the sparks were really flying when those two met. And here, it just seemed a little meh. Tyrion needed to solve a problem of some sort for her to prove his worth. The obvious answer here would be for him to provide some kind of critical knowledge about dragon keeping – Tyrion is supposed to be a smart and has read quite a lot about dragons.

Lastly, for Tyrion to say that he trusts Varys – really? That sounds like a very un-Tyrion like thing to say.

  1. King’s Landing - following the book pretty closely here with even Kevan returning to KL and Qyburn hinting that Ser Robert Strong may be available soon.

  2. Jorah - what’s his plan again? I’m going to fight some more in the fighting pits and hope that Dany likes this better the second time?

  3. Braavos. Great to see Arya out and about town. The waif and “she’s not ready yet” – what a waste of dialogue.

Can’t get behind you on that, the discussion with Dany and Tyrion was a hoot. On any other episode (you know, one without a total zombie apocalypse) that would have been the highlight. As it is, I’m really looking forward to seeing how those to shape each other up and figure out how to work together.

Great episode, although they totally telegraphed what happened to the wildling woman who put her kids on the boat. Super-freaky bit at the end.

I thought the Tyrion-Dany conversation was one of the better bits this whole season. The whole back-and-forth over Jorah set the tone, I thought…Tyrion isn’t going to just be a yes-man saying “yeah, kill him since that what you said you’d do” but nor does he encourage her to take him back. And the wine-drinking scene ran the gamut from covering the family history to toning down Tyrion’s alcoholism down a bit. They did a good job of building a relationship between them in a very short amount of time.

Hard not to love ice-zombie attacks, although there were several stretches of “wild camera swing” shots that I absolutely hate. I get that they’re trying to show the chaos of battle, but it is really necessary to film stretches where you can’t tell what the fuck is going on because the point of view is swinging all over the place? Outside of that, it was fun. The bit where Jon realizes his sword can kill the ice walkers was great, and who doesn’t love seeing a giant with a flaming tree trunk beating up undead?

Rest was all setup for the last two episodes, seemed to me. Cersei’s getting desperate in her cell, Arya is being led to real assassin-hood, desperate Sansa gets a straw to clutch at. Nothing that felt like real turning points in any of those storylines just yet.

The Tyrion and Dany scene finally gave Emilia Clarke another note to play! I thought that was great.

Hardhome was exciting, the production was very impressive, and I was pretty concerned for Jon. I’m not wild about the fact that the army of the dead is literally an army, with a command structure, but I guess that’s okay.

My most urgent question: when Wun Wun shows up to that hut for negotiations, does he have to crawl in on hands and knees?

BTW, did Tormund
spoiler re: meeting of Tormund and Rattleshirt

actually beat Rattleshirt to death there? Seems a bit implausible that all the wildlings wouldn’t have just killed him on the spot for that.

The battle was amazing, it was long but didn’t feel like it was getting redundant. Even though I didn’t know most of those characters I still felt a huge sense of loss at the end. It was the kind of epic fight I was hoping for from the Stannis/Bolton matchup.

Speaking of which, I don’t trust Ramsay. What’s he going to do with 20 men? He’s not going to confront Stannis’ army with 20 men. He has something sneaky planned.

I liked the Tyrion/Dany scenes because it felt like that’s how it should go right now. She’s still in a kind of shock, and he’s trying to not get killed. They are both toned down and wary, not on their A games. The Tywin/Olenna scenes were between two powerful people at the height of their powers. Dany and Tyrion are in weakened states.

I can kind of understand what Jorah is doing now. If he wins the big fight, he throws himself on the mercy of the court. Presumably, as the first winner of the new pit fights he will be popular with the crowd. This will give Dany the public support to rehabilitate him and not look weak.

Yeah, he dead; there was Barristan levels of CG blood coming out of him.

My only issue with last night’s episode: Where did that last boat come from? I think it was there because Jon told that one Crow to come back after he’d dropped off his passengers at the ships, but seriously? It’s just sitting there unmolested while undead pour into the compound?

I wondered that too, but oh well.

I am at work now so I can’t watch the whole thing, but I have spoiled me by watching the end scenes.

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this is amazing, and redeaming of all other fighting scenes in the serie and then more. Good, like Lord of The Rings level of cool.

Can’t wait to watch the whole episode to put things in context.

My only issue with the episode was that Edd never ever gets any of his good lines from his books. Here he’s facing off a giant without being able to make any sort of Eeyore impression. But at least this time he managed to spit out "fuck the glass!" and “Ohhhh fuck!”

Otherwise, great stuff. I love that, with Tyrion chatting with Dany, the Essos and Westeros plotlines finally merged on screen.

I really enjoyed the episode, but I think I liked the big battle less than most here.

All the Dany/Tyrion scenes were great. I loved the fact that they were both trying to out-cool the other one: [paraphrase] “I’m trying to decide whether to have you killed.” “Yeah? Well I’m trying to decide if I give a shit about you.” “I have deigned to let you live.” “I suppose I could suffer to allow myself to serve you.”

I’m really looking forward to seeing more interactions between the two of them in future episodes. The only thing that made me wince was Tyrion’s suggestion that Dany re-exile Jorah. Don’t get me wrong, I REALLY liked that Dany’s first “test” of Tyrion was seeing whether some unknown friendship with Mormont would trump good advice to here, but I think Tyrion is better than that advice. He should have suggested public exile but some private duty like spying for her in the outer cities.

Arya’s training as a secret agent/assassin was cool to watch. It compressed like half a book’s worth of stuff into five minutes, which I would say is bad… but we’ll see how they handle it.

Sansa’s confrontation with Theon seemed like an odd choice for the episode, but I gather that they are rushing to stuff a lot of stuff into the next few weeks. At least she knows her younger brothers are OK. That might be the only glimmer of hope about her family that Sansa has received since Robb died, right?

The Cersei stuff was cool. Her being brought low in the dungeon, the hulking Septa, Qyburn telling her that she’s basically been replaced back in the Red Keep, etc. Lena Headey is just great.

The scene with Sam and Gilly might have seemed like a throwaway, and someone upthread expressed exasperation with Olly repeatedly whining about the Wildlings, but…

My theory is…

My theory is that Olly will be the one that stabs Jon in the back in the final episode of this season, not Thorne or some other random Watchman. They’re just making sure that we know that it doesn’t come out of nowhere.

Finally, the big battle.

Rattleshirt is dead. It was cool that they took him out this way (he was kind of a loose thread), and it was great to show that Tormond was not going to take any crap.

The council was pretty cool; I liked how some were swayed and not others. My wife pegged the female Wildling chief as the main female villain from Pitch Perfect 2… I wish I had such an eye for faces. I agree that they telegraphed her death from ten miles away with the goodbye to the two kids, and that’s a damned shame because they could have teased us with another Ygritte-type love interest before snatching her away. Ah well.

The zombies… eh. Some might know from other threads that I adore zombie movies/shows/books/whatever. I mean, to an unhealthy degree. So when the battle started, my wife turned to me and said, “Well here you go; this is now your ultimate show.”

Yeah, sort of. But zombies only work when there is some kind of consistency, and there was basically none here. How do you “kill” one of these things? I have no idea: Sometimes they went down when someone hacked into their belly. Sometimes they didn’t seem to mind not having internal organs. Sometimes they went down when shot with an arrow in the head. Sometimes they had an arrow sticking through what appeared to be an empty skull. Sometimes they die when a giant crushes them. Sometimes they jump off a massive cliff and are fine.

Basically, the zombies went down when a main/supporting character needed them to and not otherwise. I find that annoying.

What DID work for me was the White Walker battle. I loved the shattering of weapons and the otherworldly calm the creature emanated. Why was he in the middle of the battle when the numberless hordes of undead were doing fine and all his buddies were still on the hill? That I don’t care about.

The sound was great too. I’ll have to go back and watch it again, but there was one sequence where the walkers were introduced or the undead were jumping off the cliff or something, and all the music and sound effects went wonky in an eerie way; I thought that was a great effect. Unless it was just my HBO feed getting screwed up. In which case it was STILL cool.

And the final scene where the lead walker raised all the Wildling dead in what was apparently a largely effortless gesture… wonderful. As said above, it really brought the core threat to the GoT world home. Nice.

When Sam said

At least wait until the book comes out


“[Jon] always comes back”

… I was like, dude, spoiler alert!

But I guess they don’t want us worrying too much about their bigger stars. The show is way easier on the main characters than Martin is. Is Dany even gonna

Martin makes 'em learn the hard way.

go walkabout?

I think it will be compressed into one episode like Arya’s time as a shellfish monger.

Unfortunately, I think they spoiled the literal final scene of the season before the season even started in some of their commercials.

I guess the theories of Jon Snow getting some sort of blood magic from Melisandre are probably false, as she is not at the wall anymore. Though, maybe Stannis’ decision will send her away into the arms of another “king”. He does have a thing for redheads.

What I loved about this episode, is that it did what it should be doing with non-book stuff, which is showing us more. Hardhome is only mentioned from offhand accounts in the book, and getting to see something happen there was amazing.

The show has done an excellent job with the Jon Snow storyline. God damn if this season’s ending won’t be brutal though.

That was amazing. I also loved the silhouetted figures on horseback quietly watching over the battle from the hill. Very creepy/ominous.

I dunno, I’m not so sure the show is telling what we need to know about Jon. Right now the way things are being presented makes it look like Jon’s problem is with one headstrong kid. But in the books it’s with the entire Watch (and really the problem is with Jon’s bullheaded assumption that if you have right on your side you don’t need to play politics.) That’s a big difference.

Likewise with Dany in the show. Here she changes her mind on an important issue just in time, but in the books she’s only saved by deus ex draconica.

The summary of the last book with regards to Jon and Dany is, “I know you like these guys, and they do have admirable qualities. But they aren’t actually very good at running things. They will only learn this the harshest way possible.” Whereas the show is being gentler, making the character’s flaws less clear, and leaving Jon and Dany closer to the YA tropes the book tries to subvert.

It’s been forever since I finished the last book, but didn’t…

End of the last book

Jon get murdered by his own men, or at least repeatedly stabbed into unconsciousness? I’d have assumed that he gets brought back from the dead similarly to Caitlyn. But the lady stoneheart truther watch has reported no signs of her return, and I think we haven’t seen anyone come back from the dead in quite a long time - last time we saw that was Lord Beric Dondarrion a season or two ago?

I wonder if the show is going to make a huge departure from the books at this point.

Spoiler from Next Week’s Preview


I accidentally watched the preview for next week and it looks like Jon runs into some trouble with Ser Alliser when they arrive at the wall. That’ll probably show that it’s more than just the kid.