That little arena was just a feeder outside of town - the actual big event will probably take place in a pretty big arena in the city.

That’s not the real fighting pit, just a preliminary bout in a crappy little venue. The real deal is in a much larger stadium (which we’ll see later this season.)

Are the books clearer on the differences (if there are any) between the different zombies in the White Walkers’ army, and what can/can’t kill what type of undead thing?

I was assuming there was no official distinction, that everything in that battle could be considered a “White Walker”, but I’m getting the feeling I’m wrong on that, just from the obvious difference in appearance between the leaders that look like frozen-but-preserved men, and the other things that are barely more than skeletons in tattered rags. But maybe that just has to do with the existing state of decay of the body when it’s raised as a walker, or something?

We know dragonglass can kill them. We learned Valyrian steel can kill them. Some of my friends were arguing that those lesser zombies were also being killed by more conventional means of dismemberment and head-bashing, but I think they were just slowing them down, and that given a moment those downed zombies would be right back on what’s left of their feet.

We thought fire could kill them, and I suspect it still can, but some people saw the way that first important looking Walker came through the burning house as evidence otherwise. I figured he was using some ability to cool and lessen the flames enough for him to walk through the building, but that if someone actually managed to set him on fire, he’d still die like the rest.

If any of those answers are super spoilery, then I don’t need to know, but if there’s stuff that I just missed in the show, I’d appreciate some clarification.

You’re mixing up the white walkers with the wights that they can create. Here’s how I interpret everything:

White walkers - these are the actual intelligent (undead?) walkers that lead the armies of wights. They can only be killed by dragonglass and Valyrian steel (as demonstrated by Jon’s slaying of the one last episode.)

Wights - these are the creatures raised from the dead by the white walkers. I assume that when a human is killed by either a walker or a wight then the corpse can be raised as a wight. They’re definitely vulnerable to fire but it seems that everything else isn’t “fatal.” I’d assume that dragonglass and Valyrian steel would put these to rest as well though. My guess is that all of the wights slain last episode would recover from any damage inflicted by regular weapons. In one of the earlier seasons, the Nightwatch corpses are brought into Castle Black and eventually rise again until they’re burned. So either they were already wights and weren’t properly finished OR a walker raised them for the first time while they were within the castle’s walls.

Jaime gave his to Brienne. Joffrey got the other one, and while I presume Tommen now “owns” it the show hasn’t shown this. There’s the dagger that was used to almost-kill Catelyn (right?), and I suspect there’s at least one more the show has mentioned without showing.

The show confused things by showing skeletons and zombies without eyes running around. In the books there are the White Walkers, or Others, and the undead wights which are anything raised up by the Walkers.

What’s also interesting is the newly-raised Wildlings had blue eyes. The Others in the first episode had blue eyes. The zombies didn’t. I’m not sure if it matters more than a director saying "you know what could cool? About 500,000 zombies running of a cliff. I’m not sure how they are made. Maybe the Walkers raided cemeteries or they just grow from each other when they fall.

[EDIT] I forgot about Craster giving up his kids to the White Walkers. Did they grow up the leader types?

So re: the fight that Jon Snow had with the White Walker–it seemed like at first, he tried to wield Longclaw, and somehow it was knocked out of his hand (by his zombie opponent?), then he scrambled away, recovered it and found it wasn’t shattered by the WW’s weapon as ordinary steel was, and promptly destroyed the WW.

Am I remembering it right?

He picked up someone else’s sword, which is the one that got shattered. Longclaw was out by the hole in the wall.

— Alan

I’m getting a feeling that Westeros is doomed. 4 horsemen of the apocalypse… with a mass migration east… reminds me of my undead Roman Ashen Empire in Dominions 3… taking over everything!

Hardhome, in my opinion, is now the greatest episode of Game of Thrones yet released. That will be VERY hard to top. That may well be Game of Thrones at the highest point it will ever reach.

And yes, having Dolorous Edd go with Jon was a brilliant stroke. My wife and I were both shouting at the screen. “Where’s EDD! Fuck! Noooo, they are going to kill EDD!!”

10/10

It’s still an open question and one which the books has yet to illuminate, but that is the implication, yes. They are the source of the White Walkers.

FWIW, Night’s King, the 13th Commander of the Night’s Watch (also possibly a Stark btw) lay with a blue eyed sorceress, pale as a corpse, from the North (implication: one of the Others) and he later made sacrifices to the Others (possibly exactly the same kind that Craster made). The Stark in Winterfell and the King beyond the Wall, Joramun, made an alliance and Night’s King was defeated. Many of his followers in the Night’s Watch were deliberately entombed alive within the Wall itself, frozen into place so that they faced northwards, keeping in death the same oath they broke while alive.

The fortress Night’s King inhabited was the Nightfort - the same place Sam and Gilly came up from the Well into (and where Bran, Hodor et al went through to the other side of the Wall.

There really isn’t much more than that in the books concerning Night’s King. The World of Ice and Fire doesn’t say a lot more than that, either.

Who is Dolorous Edd?

The Night Watch guy inside the hut with the Giant.

Eddison Tollett, aka Dolorous Edd, is the very dry comic relief in the Night’s Watch. In the books, he becomes Jon Snow’s Steward and is very loyal.

The Wit and Wisdom of Dolorous Edd

[I]"The dead are likely dull fellows, full of tedious complaints—the ground’s too cold, my gravestone should be larger, why does he get more worms than I do…”

“ Some dogs crawled atop me during the night. My cloak was almost dry when one of them pissed in it. Or perhaps it was Brown Bernarr. Have you noticed that the rain stopped the instant I had a roof above me? It will start again now that I’m back out. Gods and dogs alike delight to piss on me.”

“ There are worse ways to die than warm and drunk. I knew a brother drowned himself in wine once. It was a poor vintage, though, and his corpse did not improve it.”

“ Once they figure a way to work a dead horse, we’ll be next. Likely I’ll be the first too. ‘Edd’ they’ll say, ‘dying’s no excuse for laying down no more, so get on up and take this spear, you’ve got the watch tonight.’ Well, I shouldn’t be so gloomy. Might be I’ll die before they work it out.”

“ Eddison: I never win anything. The gods always smiled on Watt, though. When the wildlings knocked him off the Bridge of Skulls, somehow he landed in a nice deep pool of water. How lucky was that, missing all those rocks?
Grenn: Was it a long fall? Did landing in the pool of water save his life?
Eddison: No. He was dead already, from that axe in his head. Still, it was pretty lucky, missing the rocks.”

“ I just want to say to whoever is voting for me that I would certainly make an awful Lord Commander. But so would all these others.”

“ Samwell: Jon wants to see me?
Eddison: As to that, I could not say. I never wanted to see half the things I’ve seen, and I’ve never seen half the things I wanted to. I don’t think wanting comes into it. You’d best go all the same.”

“ My old septon used to say that books are dead men talking. Dead men should keep quiet, is what I say. No one wants to hear a dead man’s yabber.”

“ Place was overrun with rats when we moved in. The spearwives killed the nasty buggers. Now the place is overrun with spearwives. There’s days I want the rats back."[/I]

I thought the dagger was touched on early in season 1, maybe not. To people not familiar with the books, Valyrian steel is extremely rare but there are more than just 4 of those weapons around in Westeros (Sam’s pop has one, in fact!), and presumably even more across the sea (I would think, considering that is where Valyria was). Although if existing Valyrian steel is the long term defense plan vs the white walkers and the army of the dead, they are gonna have a problem.

I see season 5 ending the same way book 5 did.

Basically it was only made during the height of the Valyrian Empire, which were Daeny’s ancestors. The closest analog is Ancient Rome, but with dragons. They carved out a gigantic empire thanks to those dragons (but, for various reasons, never ventured toward Westeros). But all knowledge of it was lost when the volcanoes that Valyria was built upon exploded in unison.

While Valyria was in business, many of the ancient and noble houses of Westeros blew fortunes to acquire a Valyrian steel weapon of their own. Why? For one, Valyrian steel never loses its edge. Naturally, after Valyria blew up, they went from hideously expensive to the ultimate status symbol. You either had a Valyrian steel weapon, or you didn’t. It became the most cherished father-to-son hand-me-down for noble families.

Lord Commander Mormont belonged to one of those houses. He was lord of Bear Island, but he essentially abdicated early to let his son, Jorah, take over as lord. Then Jorah disgraced the family name and fled in exile, but he had enough honor to leave the family sword behind, which Mormont then reclaimed. He gave it to Jon for saving his life against that wight in Season 1.

Ironically, the Lannister’s Valyrian sword was lost when one of their ancestors went on a foolish quest to the ruins of Valyria, sword strapped to his side, and was never seen or heard from again. That riled Lord Tywin to no end; the wealthiest and most powerful house in Westeros didn’t have a Valyrian steel sword. He threw money at destitute houses for theirs, but they refused. So when he discovered that the Stark family sword, Ice, was orphaned after Ned get his head cut off, he sent for the most skilled smiths alive to melt it down and create two Lannister swords.

Yeah, Valyrian steel was forged with dragonfire. And there aren’t any more of those in the world anymore.

Oh… maybe? Maybe everyone isn’t screwed just yet.

I would presume that dragonfire would have a similar devastating effect on the white walkers. (as well as dragonglass)

So basically, anything that touches dragonfire can be used to kill white walkers, with dragonfire itself most likely being the most effective weapon. Which makes it really convenient that Dany’s eggs hatched a season after the white walkers started to make trouble again.