That was definitely the worst thing we’ve seen in the show so far.

I assumed we were going to get an “Edric Storm” moment with Davos.

I guess not.

From “A Wiki of Ice and Fire” about Stannis’ Chapters and information released about “Winds of Winter”

Book Spoilers

Stannis orders Justin Massey to go with Tycho Nestoris to Braavos, where Justin will use the money given to him by the Iron Bank of Braavos to hire sellsword companies till he has a force no less than twenty thousand strong and then sail back to Westeros. Stannis also gives orders that if he is slain in the coming battle, Justin is still to do as instructed, with the intention of using the army to place his daughter, Shireen Baratheon, on the Iron Throne.

So… I don’t get what happened in the show.

These are soldiers. They don’t really care that Stannis burns up his daughter. It’s not them.

They’re starving, potentially freezing. If murdering a little girl helps them along in their goal to get murder, plunder and rapine, they are all for it. That’s what soldiers do.

Edit:

I have a strange feeling Melisandre doesn’t really need to burn people to get the magic to work. All it needs is a burning piece of wood and willpower. Whether she herself is aware of this or not, is a different question.

The best part about it is that we didn’t really “see” anything. Once again, our imaginations screwed us better than anything the show has actually ever done.

There’s an interview with Liam Cunningham, the actor who plays Davos Seaworth, over at NY Times regarding the events of the last episode. Also, his time as an electrician in Africa.

As opposed to Abraham being ready to plunge a knife in Issac’s heart until the voice of God tells him, “No, I was just fucking with you, don’t do it?”

When the Shireen scene was playing, the burning of the King of the North came to my mind. Jon ended his suffering early and so I was secretly hoping Shireen will have similar ‘luck’ and when she didn’t, that was pretty emotional for me too! Fuck Stannis indeed.

When did Son of Harpies started wielding spears? Those must be the Unsullied’s and if so, the spears must have felt strange to them and yet the SoH were able to toss them with such strength to penetrate dragon armor? Yucks! That was pretty bad taste to me.

Oh, thank you for that. I was worried about that. Sorry that disturbing scene bothered me. I won’t let it happen again. :) And i do know what you are saying. Just bothered me!

Exactly. That’s what I was getting at.

By the way, does Dany have greyscale now?

Been wondering that too. They put that in and built it up for a reason, not sure what though.

I think it takes significant contact for that to be the case. Skin to skin, etc. Jon Connington was doing a pretty good job of hiding it without acting like a no-touching weirdo. I have a feeling that it is much easier to transmit when it is at a more advanced stage.

Also, Stannis killing Shireen was bad. I don’t care of GRRM said it will happen in the books, it didn’t happen this way, for this reason (though AshYara might have the same fate in the books). Context matters. I think that if this storyline was dragged out another week, with men starving more and more. Making it a “she dies, or we all die” scenario, it would feel more like Stannis. Stannis does what is best for the world at large, and clearly he isn’t above sacrificing the person he holds most dear (outside of Melisandre) to save the world. I think the choice was one that Stannis would definitely make, he has burned many more before the lord of light, was 1 step away from burning a baby in the books. But, I think the show rushed this a bit. His situation didn’t seem as dire as it was in the books. Things were awful on that march in the books. This has kind of been the problem with the show lately, is that they are distilling down long and drawn out storylines into condensed arcs in the episodes. This really takes away a lot of the “oomph” that the books have, and ends up with some bending of the believability of it all. The breakneck speed the show is running at is necessitating some major changes in character motivations that test their believability. And for a fantasy novel where one of the best parts is that people act like people and not storybook characters, believability is king.

Whether the Red Woman has been spinning lies this whole time, time will tell. Shireen was the highest price he has had to pay for this power, and if it isn’t worth it, there will be hell to pay. It raises the stakes here in an interesting way.

Also, seriously enough with the fucking lingering shots of a mildly disapproving Olly. How fucking ham-fisted has this been? This has been a foreshadowing darker than Drogon’s scales. I want a supercut of “Disapproving Olly”, there is plenty of footage out there.

Ah. Probably not. He gave her is other hand.

By the way, Stannis’ daughter did say she wanted to help however she could. So the whole “getting burned alive” thing is really on her.

-Tom

True. She should’ve said, “I want to help any way that I can, as long as I don’t have to be burned to death to do it. Or drowned. Or hanged. Or stabbed. Or have a hot bucket with a rat inside tied to my chest. Or meet Ramsay Bolton. And don’t even get me started on the Freys.”

It seems like every time something unpleasant happens in the show that hasn’t explicitly been mentioned in the books (yet), “SHITTY WRITING!” is the go-to coping mechanism.

So when Book Sansa’s other asshole husband ra^^^^consummates the marriage and Book Shireen burns somewhere else for some other Red God buff, we’ll all put our hands to our chins and nod sagely along with GRRM. Man, he just gets it.

The Targaryens are immune/highly resistant to Greyscale and a number of other highly communicable diseases. One of the Stone Men grabbed Tyrion underwater by the leg. He didn’t get it either, did he? Coincidence?

[B]No.

[/B]Our introduction to Tyrion Lannister is in Jon I, in A Game of Thrones. The description reads as follows:

[I]“He was a dwarf, half his brother’s height, struggling to keep pace on stunted legs. His head was too large for his body, with a brute’s squashed-in face beneath a swollen shelf of brow. One green eye and one black one peered out from under a lank fall of hair so blond it seemed white. Jon watched him with fascination.”

[/I]Later in that same Chapter (Jon I):

Jon was in no mood for anyone’s counsel. “What do you know about being a bastard?”
“All dwarfs are bastards in their father’s eyes.”
“You are your mother’s trueborn son of Lannister.”
“Am I?” the dwarf replied, sardonic. “Do tell my lord father. My mother died birthing me, and he’s never been sure.”

“I don’t even know who my mother was,” Jon said.
“Some woman, no doubt. Most of them are.” He favored Jon with a rueful grin. “Remember this, boy. All dwarfs may be bastards, yet not all bastards need be dwarfs.” And with that he turned and sauntered back into the feast, whistling a tune. When he opened the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king.


A book isn’t a TV show, so the fact Tyrion’s hair is almost white is not before the reader’s eye. His facial hair, which is a different color, is mentioned frequently as wiry and a mix of black and blonde throughout the novel. His hair, on the other hand, is basically white and is only mentioned that once. It’s a deliberate deception on the part of GRRM.

Tyrion being a “kinslayer” for killing Tywin? Once again, not true. He’s not Tywin’s son, he’s the son of Aerys, who raped Joanna Lannister. If she had told Tywin, he would have gone to war againstr the King and House Lannister would have been destroyed. So she kept quiet about it. She was Tywin’s 1st cousin and was a trueborn Lannister, not merely one by marriage, and she was fiercely loyal to her family and her husband.

But Tywin suspected, he always did. That was indeed the very reason why Tywin treated Tyrion differently. It wasn’t merely because he was a dwarf.

The resistance to the greyscale is a Targaryen trait, and Tyrion is the Mad King’s bastard. His dwarfism and mismatched eye color is a genetic flaw from his Targaryen inbred blood. And in the introduction to the reader, where Tyrion stands “as tall as a King”, GRRM’s is blatantly hiding the truth in plain sight from the very start of his epic. GRRM does the same when he compares Jon to Arya, commenting that of all his siblings, Jon only looked like Arya. (Arya is later described to look like her Aunt Lyanna.)

Tyrion is accosted by the Stone Men far more in ADWD than is shown in the episode - but the result is the same. Jon Connington gets the disease from a casual contact and Tyrion does not from a far more thorough exposure. Tyrion also doesn’t get the plague from the besieging army surrounding Mereen either, though Jorah falls ill as do most of the others slaves in the tent in which Tyrion is kept.

He’s a Targ - the Third Head of the Dragon.

Yea, I’ve heard that theory a hundred times, but you’re posting it out of a spoiler tag is a bit disrespectful because the theory has absolutely 0% to do with the TV show and is 100% book speculation. I’ll add that I think it’s a stupid theory anyways, and I hope it isn’t true because I’m so bored of secret Targaryens.

The fact that the tv show has done 0% setup for it (they have done setup for several other major theories), leads me to believe it’ll probably end up getting debunked. You can’t really just drop that on viewers with 0 foreshadowing. I mean, it’ll feel like sloppy writing in the books if it comes true, but on the TV show it would be just as ridiculous as walking into an empty elevator shaft.

I think it’s fair to question whether the writers of the television show are on par with the author of the series. I wouldn’t say shitty writing so much as, is what they’re doing going to make sense? We won’t know that until the show wraps up.

I was never a fan of a any power that requires people to burn alive, therefore not a Stannis fan. I am a bit of a loss of who to vote for. It’s hard to believe the White Walkers could be the better choice over the let’s burn everyone alive crowd. I’d like to believe Dany is a good choice, but some of her expressions and the way she talked… a little worried she might be going off the deep end.

I always wondered how Religious sects form from reading the same text. And then I met asoiaf fans on the internet who’ll quote chapter and verse about secret merman targaryens.

The resistance to the greyscale is a Targaryen trait, and Tyrion is the Mad King’s bastard. His dwarfism and mismatched eye color is a genetic flaw from his Targaryen inbred blood. And in the introduction to the reader, where Tyrion stands “as tall as a King”, GRRM’s is blatantly hiding the truth in plain sight from the very start of his epic.

Trueborn Lannister + Trueborn Targaryen is not “inbred blood”. It’s the opposite? Tywin marrying Joanna, however, is inbred.

This give Dany a different motivation. Instead of ragequitting and abandoning his friends, she is saving his pet dragon from death. You can think this is a young dragon.

Also, I have no real life experience with dragons, do dragons have thick skins?