Game of Thrones (HBO)


#9024

I’m curious about the weird “Let’s go have a drink” with Bronn\Podrick scene.

Is that Bronn planning his exit from the Lannister forces? Some other back channeling? Something else? It was pointed enough to make me think it wasn’t just for funsies.


#9025

I thought it was some sort a set up. “I like you. This is an ambush. Lets get us the fuck out here.”


#9026

I think that’s what we were meant to think. I think that was the purpose of the scene. To make the viewer suspect an ambush of some kind, which added to the tension of the long waiting scene. I thought it was very well done.


#9027

I think it’s even simpler. Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn apparently hate each other in real life. They used to be romantically involved a decade ago and that ended badly. Early on with the show, I guess they were okay being in each other’s presence, but that changed into full-on hatred. Crew revealed that the showrunners make sure not to have them on set together.


#9028

I don’t see how this is the case, even though she suggested it was.

I mean, she’s got 3 (now 2) big ass dragons right now… they don’t seem to be murderizing everyone.


#9029

Which is weird because one of the central plot points previously was the fact that the dragons sometimes eat people and livestock.


#9030

Look, a dragon eats your sister, we pay you some gold. We settled this in Mereen, keep up with the times Nick.

I mean if the dragon gets hungry, it eats. We pay you for it. I really don’t see the big deal here ;)


#9031

Lots of blame on both sides of this issue.


#9032

We are going to build a wall in the North, and believe me, the Night King will pay for it.


#9033

Damn! Got me with this one.


#9034

This may reflect poorly on me, but I was largely blindsided by the scene, mostly for the reasons mentioned upthread: The scene with Arya, Sansa and the masks doesn’t work if they’re playing a con on LF, and it doesn’t really work if they’re not.

The show is not as tied to “POV Characters” as the books are, but mostly it plays it straight: the audience knows more than Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Davos etc. If one of those characters learns something important, we are there to learn it with them. The exceptions are Littlefinger and Cersai – but we are aware that we don’t know what they know by visual cues and simply experience.

This is the first time that the show has had (two!) core characters effectively lying to the camera. Maybe it was a way of juxtaposing Sansa and Cersei: after all, Sansa’s play was basically the same thing that Cersei did - using a meeting as part of a ruse to get her way- but it didn’t “feel” right.

Finally, I thought that the CGI for the ice/lightning dragon was terrible. Close-up scenes with Dany riding on the back of Drogan are kind of “iffy” compared to the full-dragon scenes, but the ones where the showed the Night King on the hovering wight-dragon were straight-up AWFUL. Not flashback-Rheagar’s wig awful, but still awful.


#9035

More absurd complaining…yea it’s QT3 alright.

An amazing ending to the season for a landmark television show. Hell calling it a tv show is a disservice. There’s GoT and then everything else.


#9036

I am curious, why Cersei would allow Jamie to defect after telling him all her plans about “Moving her armies north/YOINK!” and Euron sailing to fetch the Gold Army…


#9037

Because, for better or worse, she does love him in her own twisted way. Probably also why The Mountain didn’t kill him. She probably has a kill command that she didn’t specifically use.


#9038

I think it “works” (without any lying to the camera) if you view Littlefinger’s “trial” and execution as a unilateral act from Sansa. Arya took the first step to resolve the conflict by giving Sansa the knife in her room and then it took Sansa time to work through her decision. The key was Littlefinger’s own game: the worst thing that he could come up with for Arya’s actions was Arya wanting to be Lady of Winterfell. Yet,via her actions in her room, Arya proved conclusively to Sansa that that wasn’t what Arya wanted, because it could have been hers right then and there. So, that led Sansa to think about what Littlefinger’s motivations were.

Calling Arya into that meeting of the lords was solely Sansa’s action—not pre-planned with Arya. Arya had her own process to go through, but she worked through it and made her call to trust Sansa (even in light of the message to Jon). I think Sansa pointing out to Arya that she was at Ned’s execution but didn’t do anything (“I wanted to!”) made Arya realize that the situation that Sansa was in when she wrote that message wasn’t very different. You do what you have to do to survive sometimes.


#9039

Yeah OK


#9040

Yeah, I don’t know about that. Just watched the scene and Arya gives a very satisfied smirk immediately after Sansa’s “Lord Balish?”. No surprise. No relief. Just a bit of a “got ya” look direct to Littlefinger.

So, assuming the dagger/faces scene was genuine–not staged–they must have had a talk at some point prior to calling her to the hall. Of course, that makes all of Arya’s initial nervous glances at the guards when she walks in pretty goofy. I guess they are all just enjoying pranking Littlefinger?

I am coming around to the idea that the dagger handover, followed by Littlefinger’s “imagine the worst” speech was the turning point for Sansa. I guess she just had a conversation with Arya and Bran at some point after, and left us (the audience) out of the loop for the sake of the surprise.

I’m fine with the outcome, and prefer it over the alternative, but it’s a pretty clumsy setup in writing or direction or both.

I just want Arya and Sansa to have a decent season. They’ve been mishandled for like three seasons now.


#9041

Arya and Sansa aren’t ‘pranking’ Littlefinger. That was a trial. He enters that room as Lord Protector of the Vale. He’s also been talking with many of the Northern Lords present. Sansa had to make him look guilty. She did so by giving him zero time to prepare, scheme or flee.

One of my favorite lines in the whole series was Sansa telling Arya, “You’re still weird and annoying.” They deserve a momentary return to normal sibling dynamics.


#9042

Aww, c’mon, Game of Thrones isn’t that bad. It might be clumsy, contrived, poorly written, and focusing on its worst actors, but it’s still got really cool dragon scenes.

By the way, how does an undead dragon’s frost breath bring down a wall of ice? According to the Monster Manual, that’s not how frost breath works.

-Tom


#9043

I was thinking it was a blue flame, which as everyone who has done freshman Chemistry knows, is hotter than a red flame. It was not a frost breath!