Game of Thrones (HBO)


I mean, he loved her so much he abandoned her to fend for herself with Ramsay Bolton - a scheme I complained about endlessly already. Sansa even called him out on it at the mock trial.


Yes that was dumb and the show should not have done that. There’s no reason she couldn’t have stayed in the Vale with Littlefinger, and then shown up at the Battle of the Bastards with the Knights of the Vale like, “yeah Jon I saved you” and then everything else happens the same way.


BTW in the R+L wedding in Bran’s holodeck scene, did they dig up the same actor that played Vyseris in Season 1? Sure looked like him.


I thought so too, so I looked it up. They are different people, as it turns out.



Absolutely true.

But characters in GoT do dumb things all the time. They all have personality flaws that lead to mistakes. Baelish is greedy for power and arrogant about his own abilities. At the end, he was within inches of getting everything he wanted – Sansa, the whole north, perhaps even the Iron Throne. Even when the cards turned against him with Bran’s return, he couldn’t help but play out the hand. He didn’t think he could be out-schemed by some meddling kids ;)


I wondered that too. I thought maybe they recast the actor to create a sense of family resemblance…


who is paying for the wall???


Yeah, about that…

It’s clear after Sansa turns the tables on Littlefinger that she has had some sort of conversation with Bran, but we don’t get to see it. When did it take place?
We actually did a scene that clearly got cut, a short scene with Sansa where she knocks on Bran’s door and says, “I need your help,” or something along those lines. So basically, as far as I know, the story was that it suddenly occurred to Sansa that she had a huge CCTV department at her discretion and it might be a good idea to check with him first before she guts her own sister. So she goes to Bran, and Bran tells her everything she needs to know, and she’s like, “Oh, s—.”


This is kind of the problem with where the series has gone though.

For years, when characters did something dumb in GoT? They died. Like, they died every freaking time.

Ned Stark, totally central character… makes stupidly obvious his whole plan, because of “teh honer”. Dies.

Rob Stark, decides to fuck over they Freys by marrying some chick he loves. Dies. (Lannister was kind of just using Rob’s action as a cover, but whatev)

Baratheon is basically a turbo idiot since before the series starts… dies.

The snake spear guy beats the mountain’s ass, then gets cocky… dies.

Now though, folks (I’m looking at you, Jon Snow) do stupid crap repeatedly and survive.


Sure, not every (or even most) lapse in judgment resulted in death, but those mistakes certainly didn’t go unpunished. Here are just a few examples:

  • Tyrion’s endless botched military plans had a ton of negative fallout. Cersei gained ground, white walkers had more time, Euron destroyed the rest of the Greyjoy fleet, Yara got captured. Daenerys no longer trusted his counsel.

  • Jaime’s reluctance to use the crossbow weapon early on enabled the dragon to do more damage than it otherwise might have. And then, later on in the battle, he used it anyway when he probably shouldn’t have - now they tipped their hand about their weapon, and Daenerys and the rest know it exists and can try to defend against it.

  • The entire misguided plan to get a wight from the north accomplished nothing, resulted in the death of Thoros so Beric is on his last life, and it gave the Night King just the tool they needed to break through the wall

  • Littlefinger got too over-confident, leading to his demise


I guess I feel like the absurd plan to go north of the wall was so incredibly bad, that Jon Snow deserved to die for it, instead of getting saved by like 5 miracles in a row.


Maybe it will all be justified by finally shaking Jamie free from Cersei. Odds are he’ll be the one to put an end to her, and it took the wight to get him to leave her side.


I think it’s more in the hairdo. Somebody in one of the reviews says that in the books GRRM tells us that Viserys modelled himself on Rhaegar - that’s probably what the similarity in looks is alluding to.

Watching some of the reaction videos it’s amusing to see that a few people were like “whu?” when they momentarily thought it was Viserys.

I’ve been binging on reaction videos, quite funny sometimes. There’s something about watching other peoples’ reactions that helps you calibrate your own.


I have a different impression. People often die no matter what they do.

Cercei is not dead although she has been doing stupid things all the time. Tywin is dead due to his actions, although they are not something people would call ‘stupid’. So is Roose Bolton. So is Walder Frey. Littlefinger? He is not dead in the books but I have no doubt he will die in a similar fashion to the TV series, crying and begging.


Tyrion in love with Daenrys is stupid. They better not do it. SO stupid.


I don’t know, I think it would be pretty consistent with the characters. Tyrion tends to fall in love with pretty girls, especially those that show him affection. I’m not sure what the sex work regulations are like in Mereen or Dragonstone but he’s probably pretty lonely as well. Meanwhile, mostly every guy who comes across Daenrys falls in love with her in time. The only ones who haven’t is Grey Worm and Varys, for obvious reasons. Seems pretty reasonable to me!


The scale of the plots, cast size, and many interwoven story lines. Far more than practically any other show would ever attempt. Heck there are major characters who have had complex developments and arcs who didn’t ever meet for many seasons. It’s an amazingly large complex, dense show that is probably a nightmare to,produce yet they pull it off year after year while going ever bigger.

Also all I need to do is also,point to this thread. Name another show that gets the same attention as this one. GoT is event TV. The only show currrently on that I think can say that.


But the original plan of GRRM for the series included a love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion, with a bit of incest thrown in there. What if Arya only switch role with Daenerys? That is just a speculation, but you cannot deny that it has a solid foundation.


Right, but we only give it attention because we’re hipster haterz, remember? Imagine how expansive this thread would be if any of us actually enjoyed Game of Thrones!