SPOILARS???

I think the twins are pretty much what they were in the books, despicable. Jamie never redeems himself, but becomes aware of…how fucked his family is at some point. Does not make him likeable really.

The only one of the bad guys I can stand long term is Tyrion. At least he has balls.

I don’t know. It’s hard to come back from what he did in AGoT Bran II, but Jaime works to redeem himself when he comes back for Brienne, when he honestly means to bring the Stark girls back to their mother and when he carries through with his oath to Catelyn and does not raise arms against House Tully in taking Riverrun.

I’m not really sure how you would call Tyrion a ‘bad guy’. The worst thing he ever does is strangle Shae and she sells him out for the promise of jewelery and some nice dresses.

I agree with the VF guy that the sex stuff was pretty lolzy. There was no reason for the faux lesbian scene; they could have skipped it after the line about training and continued from there, saving a whole buttload (ha!) of time that could have been used for something less obviously fanservice.

Cuts were less jarring on the second episode than on the first. Interesting that they’ve already switched up the opening – after the first episode I was wondering how they’d handle that.

Jon Snow character has a penchant for staring at the camera with a slack jawed retard face.

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Was there any kind of reason they cut out the “it should have been you” line from the Mom Stark/Jon Snow meetup in Bran’s room? Am I misremembering that scene?

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Gotta admit, seeing a Targaryen chapter in any of the books was both awesome and awful. Awesome because the cultural exploration was great, awful because the character is dull.

I’m pretty sure I personally missed the redemption on account of putting my head through the wall to escape yet more Crybaby Girl Giant Stories. Here’s hoping she’s dead.

I understand think Tyrion might be a bad guy initially, but in my mind he’s one of the only truly good characters in the entire series.

There’s a description of Tyrion that perfectly sums him up: “He is capable of cruelty to his enemies, but also has great sympathy for fellow outcasts and the mistreated.”

If you don’t think Tyrion can’t be ruthless, don’t forget Symon Silvertongue.

Not to mention how he kills his father.

Such a crappy way to go.

I think we’re being a bit privy with the information.

Yeah, the Dany/Drogo segments are pretty bad. I just don’t think they have the time (both screen time and the time for the necessary direction) to do it right, especially when there’s a language barrier between the characters. In the show, it really comes off as amateur-ish and Drogo does look like he belongs on the cover of a romance novel.

The lesbian segment though was well, pretty mild. The reason it’s there is because they wanted to establish that changing positions reflects their changing relationship. Of course, we’re given so little screen time with them it’s like the cliff notes for the cliff notes version of events, which doesn’t help.

Yeah, they might want to delete those posts. This is the defacto spoiler thread, but spoiler isn’t in the title. I’ve generally tried to talk around stuff instead of directly to it, even here.

The above posts need SOILER tags.

Mordrak doesn’t get the joke.

Ohhhh you.

In the novels, Jaime is my favorite male character at this point. He’s certainly not good, and I’m conflicted about calling him ‘redeemed’, but he’s finally noble and honorable, because of the acts Bahimiron mentioned. The original Jaime was a knight who looked striking in armor and was dazzling with a sword, but he betrayed his oath and killed his king. The current Jaime doesn’t have a nice suit of armor, and isn’t quite as good in battle, but he understands knighthood isn’t about the uniform.

Tyrion’s not bad, but he’s far from good. I don’t think there are any truly good characters in the novels. The closest were probably Eddard and Robb, and we saw what that led to. Maybe Cat’s uncle, the Blackfish? He seems pretty decent. He’ll probably infest a city of innocents with the plague in the next book for some reason.

Jaime becomes more likable simply for the same reason a Rhaegar would. . .initially readers are exposed only to those who scorn Jaime for the act that gave birth to his title of Kingslayer. His convo as a prisoner with Catelyn in the 2nd book is awesome and well worth a quick reread. And by book 3 we’re inside his head and better understand his motivations. As the father of small children, I still refuse to let myself like him much, but I’m at the point where I’d hate to see him meet a bad end.

To me the respective arcs of Jaime and Tyrion are possibly the most astounding stuff about the series. If you think about it, they’ve nearly completely switched their “alignment” for lack of a better term.

In AGoT, the beginning, Tyrion is somewhat lovable, sort of a scamp character, who doesn’t bear anyone any ill will, he gets along with Jon after a rough start, designs a custom saddle for Bran, and generally is not what most people would consider a bad person, despite the many lumps in life he’s taken. Certainly he’s cynical, and devious, but I don’t recall him doing anything bad to anyone just because he’s a bad person.

By the end of ASoS, he’s just taken too many slaps to the face from the events of the books, with perhaps the final blow being Jaime revealing to him that his first wife, who he was convinced was a paid whore acting out a part, was actually what she seemed to be, an innocent girl who loved him. This coming from possibly the only person who he genuinely loves (Jaime), is the last straw, and he tells Jaime a terrible lie (that he did kill Joffrey) just to hurt him, and then kills his father and the whore who he loved and protected up until he found her in his father’s bed. On top of all this, he’s reviled in all of the Seven Kingdoms as a kingslayer and kinslayer, unjustly.

So he’s taken a huge journey from cynical but not evil to outright “fuck the world”.

Contrast this with Jaime, who starts AGoT as completely without empathy, living basically only for the thrill of combat and fucking his sister. Very nearly the first thing we see him do is throw Bran out the window. He’s arrogant, self-centered, and cares nothing for honor. He has some sense of duty or loyalty to his Lannister family and does seem to bear some affection for his children that he cannot acknowledge.

At the end of ASoS, he’s humbled by having been crippled and has completely changed his priorities and outlook on life. The first thing he does in King’s Landing is refuse to resume his relationship with Cersei, and shortly afterwards he refuses his father’s request/demand that he set aside his white cloak and oaths. He continues this new “honorable” Jaime trend by doing things like trying to do a proper job as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, setting Brienne off on her journey with a sword named Oathkeeper that is forged from Ned Stark’s sword, and freeing his brother from prison.

His journey is from vile feckless youth to tragic, battered, but resolute man who seems determined to live a new life of honor.

Of course the television version of Game of Thrones veers into bad porn parody territory. Consider the source material! George R.R. Martin writes female characters and sexual encounters like somebody who doesn’t actually know any women and has likely never experienced physical intimacy. Instead, Martin’s writing is that of a fat social reject whose only frame of reference for human sexuality is pornography.

At least his female characters don’t tug their braids and smooth their skirts all of the time.

When I clicked on that link, I got a pop up picture of a VF cover with a very bare chested and muscled Rob Lowe. I don’t think VF has to look that far for porn-parody.

God I hope so. I’m willing to stick with it for now based one how awesome Peter Dinklage is, but two hours in it feels like almost nothing has happened.

Yep, nothing. It’s like watching paint dry. :Rolleyes:

A zombie uprising, an incest reveal, a kid being thrown from a window, an assassination attempt, two executions, a political marriage and a major political appointment.

If that’s almost nothing I’d be curious to watch whatever series you’re comparing it to.