2079

No the problem is, there are going to be women out there who say and do things he doesn’t like. That does not mean you dismiss everyone else. That’s ridiculous and it’s a tried and true scapegoat. If only there were women out there who didn’t do these things then suddenly we’d listen to all these other women and that’s just ridiculous… If Jessica Price didnt’ exist he’d pull some other name out of his hat. It’s another whataboutism used to kick the can to avoid the hard work and questions of these other cases.

And your comment is another example of she doesn’t speak in a way i approve of so I’ll just use this as an excuse to dismiss all these other things and blame her for it.

2080

Thank you. You phrased that more elegantly than I was considering since I have a bad habit of meeting sarcasm with yet more sarcasm.

2081

Why did you even bring up Jessica Price? What does she have to do with the culture at Riot?

2082

Bullocks. Do you really want to paint with this broadly of a brush? You may find that you are simply painting yourself.

I could easily reply that if some man / organization did not do something you would simply pull another name out of the hat to try to paint everyone as being a misogynist. The point is that for every time the shining knights try to blame the wrong person, the next time someone has a legitimate claim or issue it will tend to be dismissed. Your comment is another example of “I can do anything I want in the name of being oppressed and I will use this as an excuse to remove any responsibility from me or my gender.”

2083

Except I am not the one who actually did that, you did. Price has nothing to do with this.

So what you want to blame me for Riot games too? What is wrong with you?

2084

No, you misunderstand. I am simply stating that when someone who does something wrong like Jessica Price is defended, it makes it more difficult to take any legitimate claims seriously. Three weeks ago people blamed Arena Net unjustly and so it is quite possible the Riot issue gets more lost in the noise. That is all. Read no more into it.

2085

It’s All Lives Matter / Whataboutism bullshit.

Everyone: Man, Riot is a terrible environment for everyone, including women
You: Oh, but wait, sometimes women behave badly.

The women at Riot are not the same as this Jessica person., At best it’s a non-sequitur. At worst, there’s a contextual implicature (by proximity) that the women at Riot should not be believed because women tend to be liars or over-react to things.

If not a total non-sequitur, the only possible relevance that comment has is unsolicited tone policing.

2086

No it does not. You cannot use that as an excuse. You will alwasy find someone you don’t agree with, always find people who do things you think are wrong, and some of those peope will be women. If you’re using that as an excuse for everything, that’s on you, not them. You’re trying to blame women for misgonstic behavior… how about you blame the men actually doing it?

This has nothing to do with Price. And just to be clear, me calling you out on your bullshit didn’t make men send dick pictures at Riot games either.

2087

Like it or not, it does with the general public. The crying wolf story is a fable that should be heeded.

I blame those who use false claims of misogyny to cover up their own wrongful behavior and how that damages all claims of misogyny. Price is Example A.

2088

You’r holding women to a higher standard than the men, and if you don’t see a problem with that, you need to analyze your approach not the other way around.

The men are in the wrong here, and you will always find some woman you can use as an excuse if that’s what you’re looking for. If not Price you’d use some other name.

I will not hold her responsible for your dismissal. That’s on you.

2089

Absolutely not. I would hold anyone to the same standard in customer service. I also hold everyone to the same standard when it comes to false accusations because I have seen first hand how damaging a fake accusation is via a good friend back home. A fake accusation can be equally as damaging.

What is the “here” to which you are referring? Riot? Absolutely. Arena Net? Absolutely not.

2090

Then the “general public” is misogynist.

Not because they don’t believe Price, but because they have decided that what Price does, and what professionals at a totally different company do are somehow related because they’re both women.

It’s like deciding that I must know Jackie Chan because I’m Chinese. People who believe that are racists. Those things have no actual relation to one another. The only reason people think that they do is because they’re incapable of seeing two people who happen to be women as having individual identities, and just see them as the same because they both happen to be women.

2091

No, the general public is realistic. If there are 20 false reports of police shootings then 21st that is real will be looked upon far more skeptically than if the first 20 were not reported at all. That does not make the 21st more horrific but it will get lost in the noise.

2092

So you think there are 20 false reports of misogyny in the workplace for every 1 true report? That’s…bold.

2093

For all this whataboutism bullshit, you’d think that the same people attacking Jessica Price would’ve gotten just as mad at this person:

I’m trying to figure out why the same people mad at price weren’t mad at that person, but I’m having trouble figuring it out!

2094

But why should I listen to you. You think I can’t find some guy somewhere out there that makes it easy for me to dismiss everything guys say. You’re claiming a few women that you don’t agree with or in situations you dislike somehow excuses the dismissal of everything else. Women could do the same thing, and it’s easy to find men to use some sort of well I could care but look at this guy… it’s a ridiculous approach.

This isn’t about me defending a sex or gender, this about a toxic workplace for BOTH men and women. And maybe if you approached this as not some sort of woman’s cause and realize healthy workplaces is good for everyone you’d stop blaming women for… everything.

2095

Did I say that? No, I did not. Bugger off, arsehole.

2096

Except… you pretty much did. Your entire thesis has been ‘some women did something bad, ergo other women’s complaints won’t be taken seriously’. Then you throw out a 20 false reports and one real incident example.

Except the reality is closer to 20 real, and one false, and real ones often don’t get reported because people keep using arguments like yours to blame the victim, so reporting rarely works. It’s the entire reason why ‘Me Too’ is a thing now, and people are blaming them for waiting so long to speak up.

Basically if you are using women like Jessica Price to excuse the culture of RIOT, take a step back and really think about if that is the position you want to take.

2097

Can someone explain who Jessica Price is, what she has to do with Riot?

2098

She was a writer with Arena.net on Guild Wars 2. There was a scuffle after some twitter drama with one of the major streamers for the game. She was fired. Nobody came off looking good, except perhaps the streamer.

Fuck all. It’s a red herring, a distraction.