Right, 'cause only the evil gobernment teaches stupid things to kids, unlike this 2000 year old book and whatever the modern equivalent to Fukuyama wrote.
Anyway, on topic, @Telefrog, are you telling me gamers have no idea what they’re talking about? I’m shocked!
Snicker aside, it’s kind of mind-blowing. Not the fact that they’re wrong, everyone’s wrong about most things because our brains are so faulty, but how ubiquitous computing devices became that things that were basic knowledge to anyone with a PC are now arcane logic to most users (again, not a negative, just life). Even more incredulous is how quickly it all happened.
RickH
2754
Obligatory snark: Hey, they barely attended it this year.
Teiman
2755
Gamers know what is a engine not directly, but indirectly, with enough datapoints to know what to expect. And if another is made based on this engine, is going to have most of the current bugs, some of them date from the morrowind era. The engine is just a old car patched and repainted every year since 20 years ago.
Barring technical analysis, you really don’t, though. What you know is that Bethesda doesn’t care about the bugs, not whether adding/fixing parts of it are practically possible.
Of course, the longer they accumulate issues, the worst it gets, as it turns out that rewriting old code is a bit of a problem, but still, without code and expertise you have no idea how deep the issues are. Windows, say, has the same “engine” as Win2k and much of it is completely different, it’s just the way things are.
Nesrie
2759
There’s actual discussion going on there. You are, of course, welcome to chitter to yourself.
Teiman
2760
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Barring technical analysis, you really don’t, though. What you know is that Bethesda doesn’t care about the bugs, not whether adding/fixing parts of it are practically possible.
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Not all problems are born equal. There are problems that can be caused by a misplaced comma, that are easy to fix. There are problems that are caused by design decisions made by somebody looking at a Pentium Pro with 8 MB of RAM and thinking “what design decision fit this hardware?”. Changing the architecture of a game is possible, but hard, like moving a house with the foundations (it has been done at least once, theres a youtube video of it), but is unpractical hard. Changing the architecture of a game is easier if is really made of modules, but thats another architecture detail the original designer should have trough about and enforced the whole live of the engine. And all it takes one programmer that ignore this design decision to make it null.
“Gamers” talking about technical anything remains one of the most painful things in the world to observe.
Might not need the “technical” there but for now it’ll do.
Teiman
2762
Well, my comment is a reaction to journalist coming to “defend” game developers where they deserve no defense.
The other day I was coordinating a api design with other company. And the first thing I said “I you guys do this, you must make sure your system support long urls, because is going a problem.”. I told the same thing again in another meeting.
Fast forward they had exactly that problem, and It took them a month to fix it, and they fixed it by doing something completely different. I saw the “bug” from a month before the first line of code was written, I warned everyone, and It failed how I said it would fail.
I know this shit, computer programming and creating computer systems.
My opinion of “game journalists” (in aggregate, obviously. There are good ones out there and in here) is probably lower than anyone else’s here, so I’m not going to argue about that ;)
Teiman, I wasn’t dismissing the possibility that much, I just said you can’t be sure of how much of an issue it is. I suppose modders might’ve picked on some details by messing around, though. And I’m not dismissing the frustration either.
I’m just pointing out that rewriting from scratch is not a silver bullet because you’ll bump into a lot of issues you’ve already solved. But yeah, sometimes you have to do it because it’s a convoluted mess that it’s too hard to work on.
RickH
2765
Yeah, Nes. I know you’re the good guy of your own story, but this is not your forum to police. It just makes you look petty.
Teiman
2766
Is requires a lot of time and money involvement and it takes a long time, and you still can do it wrong.
But these are not factors the decision to do it or not, but when to do it.
People move from one house to a different house. And is morally taxing. But people still do it.
(Fun facts: metaphora is the greek word for moving services )
I like it when phone numbers are listed as movie IP addresses.
Nesrie
2769
Well I know you like making up villains in your head, but the topic is actually being discussed there, not here.
All right, now I’m going to thread cop - do we really need to do this? Also, license and registration please.
Nesrie
2771
Yes. This is a very common thing for people to do. When someone posts something in a general topic but that particular subject has it’s own topic, people often post the topic to let them know it’s there. That is literally all I did. The fact that Rick chases me around to be an ass is not something I am going to ignore.
OK. Keep fighting the good fight.
