Don’t worry, Fox News was on it in the headline I saw earlier. “Crazed gunman” which of course pins it directly on mental illness due to his skin color, rather than the possibility of white supremacy which the Instagram seems to point towards.
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This is my shocked face.
Yeah I said the same thing. I also said it after reading what @rowe33 mentioned on Fox. Of COURSE he’s a crazed gunman, not some sort of supremacist.
This.
Woah, unbeknownst to me, my aunt was in Gilroy for the festival. She was a mile away when the shooter showed up. Everybody with her is ok, but the whole place has been on lockdown.
This infuriates me, every time, that Fox News and the GOP gets to set the narrative every time someone shoots up a place, and it’s wholly based on their desire to push votes and not on the facts of the events.
Another racist radicalized by the usual radicalizers. Probably including Fox news.
Glad everyone known to people here is ok. I still think we’re in for more of this until outlets like Fox are considered hate speech. In the lead up to many atrocities (Bosia for one) this sort of speech is common. Facts are simply irrelevant. That is often one of the features (not a bug).
I know it was a quote from the article, but … I just have to. Hispanic is cultural, mestizo is racial. Mestizo is a Hispanic term, and it means any one descended from a well blended mix of usually Spanish, or other colonial powers and native people. Which many Hispanics are. But this is to distinguish them from pure natives who may have adopted the Spanish language and Latino culture and from pure European racially people who are Hispanic. So “commonly white and Hispanic” is a mix of race and culture/language. And white Hispanics are simply white Hispanics, not mestizos.
One way to think of it: If Elizabeth Warren were in a Latino country there would be no drama. She could say she was a very light-skinned mestizo and everyone would shrug and carry on. Of course, if she said she was a Hispanic there would be a commotion!
Are spaniards hispanic because if not…
Making sure you know that is a quote from a CNN article, so not surprising if incorrect.
That being said, I did not know the difference either and I appreciate your explanation.
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No worries, I lead with that. I just couldn’t contain myself.
And yes @Soapyfrog, they would be considered a “white Hispanic” in most Latino countries, assuming the Spaniard in question was of European descent.
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I have a grandfather in-law that emigrated from Spain to Central America and fits that description exactly. If however if the Spaniard in question was descended from (probably former colonial) African peoples, they would be a “black or Afro- Hispanic”. It becomes more complicated when thinking of this in terms of US demographic questions on forms. Most list Hispanic/Latino as a “race” or specify “non-white Hispanic/Latino” in the wording. And on those forms that do list that as a culture and ask Hispanics to also pick a race, many mestizos here will pick “white” over “native” as to them native would imply pure native or a US/Canadian tribe, not a well-blended mix. So a lot of the second generation doesn’t know the word here very well. The second generation picks “non-white Hispanic” if that is the only choice. But if the choices are Hispanic culture check box with races separate they check white for race and Hispanic culture. They are all mestizo. Except my kids which also do have some North American native from my mother. One checks everything that applies - she gets angry they make her pick one grandparent over others. The other one says the categories are ridiculous choices and rotates his picks, which confuses the heck out of test proctors as he takes after the light skinned side and has a more European first name (though the middle and last are Hispanic). We are really well-blended in this house.
And the Hispanic/Latino hate getting ginned up bothers us quite a bit. I fear this incident may be in part a product of it.
Of course they’re Hispanic because they’re literally from Hispania which was the Roman name from which the modern España evolved. But I’d hazard a guess that almost all Spaniards (which represent almost half of my ancestry – on my mother’s side, allowing for some mestizaje over 3+ centuries–she’s from El Salvador of principally criollo ancestry) are a different kind of mestizo, given the Moorish domination of the Iberian peninsula for multiple centuries in the Dark and Middle Ages.
Moorish background (while you are absolutely correct genetically) won’t lend to a self-identification as mestizo as that’s more an Americas native cross thing, and as you say she prefers criollo indicating she feels there isn’t enough Americas native to warrant mestizo :)
But if my mother-in-law (father was the white Spaniard) moved back to Spain (she has citizenship) she would then be a mestizo Hispanic in Spain. But she would think of it because her Nicaraguan mother was mestizo, not at all due to any possible Moorish genetics in her Spaniard father.
We’re all probably somewhat mixed though. No matter what we call it.
Heh, yeah. My Guatemalan grandmother was very insistent that we didn’t have a drop of “Indian” blood in us and that we were pure Castilian Spanish. When she came to the US to see my mom marry my (Louisianan) dad, she was gleefully overjoyed by all the beautiful white babies in the church.
Of course, the whole family have numerous physical features that indicate something other than lilly white European, whether it be Moorish or a Conquistador ancestor having his way with a Mayan woman…hell, probably both.
But in Guatemala, the Mayan descended folks are seen as very low and shameful, and families try to distance themselves from that (or, for what it’s worth, the families that mine associates with). A lot of the killing in the last big Civil War was directed against native peoples in the rural areas.
So funnily enough, my Latinx relatives may actually be more racist than the Cajun side of the family that drops the n-bomb casually!
I’m so sorry for you. It’s such a gut-punch to have loved ones espouse evil ideals.
Yep. And even within mestizos there is eh, what I’ll call “skintone-ism”. You may be mixed, but lighter is “better”. I’m really, really light. Olive in color, but pale. But with my family being so well mixed, all our coloring just varies. My side isn’t Hispanic, just mixed. My mother-in-law assumed like most though that I am all white at first. Until our first child arrived.
She is more mid-toned for a mestizo with the dark hair and eyes. Perhaps a tiny bit darker than my husband, who is on the light-skinned side. I heard her muttering “morena” when she first held her disapprovingly. :/ It was the same tone as her, and some of her children, and my half-sister! She loves her, and I’m not sure she knows I overheard the comment.
There are some upsides… ;)
My dad loved Trump. Going back to the 90s. Once a month he’d fly down to Atlantic City to spend a weekend in a Trump Casino. He saw Trump and Ivana in person and he said Ivana was the most beautiful woman he ever saw (wat).
My dad loved Trump long before Trump became a politician, and then my dad became a Fox News drone. My dad died seven years ago, and if he were alive today I’m sure he’d be Trump’s biggest supporter.
So I console myself that even if my dad were still alive, I wouldn’t be talking to him anyway. So… yay?
You’d see enough retaliation that folks would lose “courage” quickly.