Gearbox's Borderlands

Telefrog · 2010-10-12T14:32:41.000Z

I have a couple of questions.

Will the GotY Edition come with the janky limited install DRM on the DLC bits?

Will the upcoming patch get rid of the DRM on the installs currently being played?

Pogo · 2010-10-12T16:52:50.000Z

Will co-op finally not feel like an afterthought on a game that was created to have awesome co-op?

infornography · 2010-10-12T16:59:14.000Z

Pogo:

Will co-op finally not feel like an afterthought on a game that was created to have awesome co-op?

?

The coop in this game is great except for the flaky voice chat. Not sure what you are complaining about here.

Mordrak · 2010-10-12T17:00:03.000Z

Pogo:

Will co-op finally not feel like an afterthought on a game that was created to have awesome co-op?

Scaling enemies (which I think is part of the rebalancing) should help with that, but a more thorough integration of co-op elements into the MMO quest style gameplay that comprises much of Borderlands I think is unlikely.

Pogo · 2010-10-12T17:10:33.000Z

infornography:

?

The coop in this game is great except for the flaky voice chat. Not sure what you are complaining about here.

The flaky voice chat is the least of the problem. Understand that I’m not referring to the synergy of the characters here or the gameplay itself, which I think is awesome… hence my complaining of the obvious flaws. But really I’m just retreading an old bitter argument.

Joe_M · 2010-10-12T18:12:23.000Z

Why are you griping about coop when Brick’s neck is so HUGE? They still haven’t patched that out, the cretins.

Pogo · 2010-10-12T21:53:01.000Z

Well, I’m not THAT bitter.

lordkosc · 2010-10-12T22:28:15.000Z

so no one has answered this yet… does the NEW dlc have more than 1 fast travel location?

scharmers · 2010-10-13T10:53:00.000Z

What’s the starting level expectation for the Claptrap expansion?

Lunch_of_Kong · 2010-10-18T13:47:52.000Z

Hey, I just installed this game! Is there anything I should know?

ducks

(yes, is joke)

Teiman · 2010-10-18T14:33:36.000Z

scharmers:

What’s the starting level expectation for the Claptrap expansion?

None?

I tried it with a level 6, and the mobs where level 10. So maybe any level will do.

I have not tried to go further with that character, so I don’t know how playable is at low level.

Mordrak · 2010-10-18T14:36:49.000Z

Lunch of Kong:

Hey, I just installed this game! Is there anything I should know?

ducks

(yes, is joke)

Did you actually just install it though? I’d wait to start until the rebalance patch unless you really want to play it soon. It’s supposed to be out by the end of Oct.

infornography · 2010-10-18T14:53:17.000Z

lordkosc:

so no one has answered this yet… does the NEW dlc have more than 1 fast travel location?

Just played the DLC over the weekend. It is shorter than Knoxx. Might be shorter than isle of Dr. Ned. There is only one fast travel point, but it is in an area that all other areas connect to except for the final zone. That makes it nowhere near as frustrating as in the previous DLC.

My biggest problem with the DLC is that all the enemies were between level 45 and 52 if I remember correctly. Not a big challenge for our level 60 soldiers. This is strange considering this is the last DLC. I would have thought it would scale to the top tier.

The way I would rank the DLC is as follows. Best to worst.
General Knoxx
Isle of Dr Ned
Claptrap Revolution
Moxie

Joe_M · 2010-10-18T14:55:45.000Z

infornography:

My biggest problem with the DLC is that all the enemies were between level 45 and 52 if I remember correctly. Not a big challenge for our level 60 soldiers. This is strange considering this is the last DLC. I would have thought it would scale to the top tier.

This is why I immediately quit the game when I saw the levels on Claptrap Revolution baddies. I could basically turn my monitor off and wander around spraying bullets and be in no danger whatsoever. The incoming patch will fix the problem, or so we’ve been told.

scharmers · 2010-10-18T16:32:04.000Z

Hunh. Yeah. Finishing up any one of the DLCs and then killing the Vault monstar pretty much puts you kinda above whatever DLC you play next. I always finishe Dr. z^hNed first, sooooo…I ended up only a couple of levels above Knoxx and his baddies, but going into Claptrap…level 37s and 38s? Um yeah I’m a 42. The current balancer tries to even things up by throwing badassess and badmuthas into the mix, but not nearly often enough for any kind of challenge.

Mordrak · 2010-10-18T16:52:21.000Z

Wait, is this accurate from the wiki about the patch?

One key feature of the patch is level rebalancing. Players who have completed both playthroughs will have all enemies scaled up to match the character’s level.

You have to complete the game twice for the new level scaling to kick in? I could see it at once, but not having level scaling until you’re on you’re 3rd time through the game seems like a bit much. Maybe they’ll be making other balancing changes to support that transition.

awdougherty · 2010-10-18T17:28:58.000Z

scharmers:

Hunh. Yeah. Finishing up any one of the DLCs and then killing the Vault monstar pretty much puts you kinda above whatever DLC you play next. I always finishe Dr. z^hNed first, sooooo…I ended up only a couple of levels above Knoxx and his baddies, but going into Claptrap…level 37s and 38s? Um yeah I’m a 42. The current balancer tries to even things up by throwing badassess and badmuthas into the mix, but not nearly often enough for any kind of challenge.

Wait, claptrap’s revolution is 37s and 38s? My group is nearing or at 50 and there’s no challenge to be had anywhere.

ColonelT · 2010-10-18T19:16:57.000Z

Mordrak:

You have to complete the game twice for the new level scaling to kick in? I could see it at once, but not having level scaling until you’re on you’re 3rd time through the game seems like a bit much. Maybe they’ll be making other balancing changes to support that transition.

I stopped my second playthrough mid-way in anticipation of the rebalancing patch. My plan was the play the last DLC and clean-up achievements on the way to 69. I guess I can still do that, but assuming that note is accurate it won’t be terribly challenging.

JetLagger · 2010-10-18T23:24:32.000Z

Looks like balance patch just hit cert. Not sure how long cert takes, maybe someone in the know can cast some light. I’m holding off the Claptrap DLC till the patch.

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=111831

Update 10/12 - This is in final stages of QA right now.
Update 10/18 - Update is in certification.

-Tim

Lunch_of_Kong · 2010-10-19T14:22:36.000Z

Mordrak:

Did you actually just install it though? I’d wait to start until the rebalance patch unless you really want to play it soon. It’s supposed to be out by the end of Oct.

Yeah, my soldier is level 30 now, just cleared out Old Haven. Am I almost done?