None of the specials are worth much without investment. The hunter is no different.
In terms of pure DPS, none of the 4 talents does as much damage per use as a fully specc’ed bird. On top of that, the skill reloads incredibly fast (I believe the fastest of the 4 specials).
I’m not arguing about effectiveness or dps. I’m talking about what’s enjoyable to me and the bird is boring. What makes the hunter’s ability different in terms of where the talent points are spent is the fact that I’d have to dig deep into the Rogue tree to make him attack multiple targets, which is where it would start being good. Lilith and Brick’s specials are fun right from the start. The scorpio turret isn’t all that exciting, but it’s pretty cool to be able to throw down your own cover that shoots people and replenishes health and ammo. And talents for the turret are sprinkled all over all 3 trees, so it’s hard not to make it good.
Tman
3063
IMO - the specials aren’t as good as the other items on the trees.
For soldier for example - I love a good shotty and being able to tighten up a shotty damage & spread is awesome. Combine it with a good COM that gives me 60% extended magazines and increase ROF turns me into a mean killing machine.
This is really important - use weapons that your bulid & COMs support.
Soldier - machine guns, combat rifles & shot guns
Siren - SMGs
Hunter - Pistols, repeaters, snipers
Brick - shot guns, launchers, melee
Melee is the one area where I’m very weak - I see support for this in a lot of the skill trees - particularly the siren, but I’ve just never had any luck with a melee based build outside of Brick. Anyone else have success with melee?
I was mostly responding to your observation that your bird does less damage than a single revolver shot. It does less damage because you’ve specc’ed your revolver skills but not your bird. It’s an unfair comparison.
Trey
3065
Yeah my roommate played a fully or at least very bird spec hunter and that thing was ridiculous. It just kills anything. Combine that with his own DPS and he could put out massive damage. The good thing about the bird is it just goes and does its thing and you keep shooting stuff. The siren by comparison, phase-shifting means you stop shooting, so it doesn’t really augment your DPS, it replaces it. I always went with an SMG-specced Siren. Although I’ve come to love Soldier a lot, just for all the magazine buffs, I love having an MG with hundreds of rounds.
I know what you’re saying. And it’s not unfair because I specifically said that it does less damage because I didn’t put points into the bird. Without points, it’s almost completely worthless and the only way to change that is putting lots of points into that tree, which means fewer points elsewhere. It just seems like a lot of points to make it not suck, unlike the special abilities from the other 3 classes. None of them are great without putting talent points to make them better, but they don’t feel as weak as the bird to me without said points.
Either way, it’s all personal preference and it’s not like I’m saying you’re wrong for liking the killer birdie. It’s just not my thing.
you’re wrong for not liking the killer birdie! ;)
It has been a while, but the power of the bird was not it’s one hit on a bad guy. I am pretty sure that if you had…for example enough points and items to give the bird 8 hits per birdie launch, if there were only 4 baddies close, he’d hit them each twice. He’d hit each and make his rounds until 8 hits were done and disapear.
His problem was, if there was only one extremely hardass thing in range, he’d hit it only once and disappear. The bird needed at lest two targets to bounce back and forth to capitalize on his 8 target capacity.
I do understand a lot didnt’ like the bird, they wanted all their points to affect their own direct damage. I still found i could invest in the bird a lot, and still be awesome at either revolver or sniper rifles, or really both.
I can’t wait, I am thrilled Borderlands 2 is in the works. It is one of my favorite, 1 hour after work tension relievers, blasting bad guys non stop and getting a thrill when a new awesome gun dropped, just so I could do it again and faster the next day.
I love those kind of games, Titan Quest, Diablo, Hellgate.
Aww. :( It’s not that I don’t like him, it’s just… Okay, look, we have a long history together and he’s betrayed me on multiple occasions. I won’t go into details, but let’s just say he tends to stick his pecker in places it doesn’t belong.
That’d really throw my aim off as a sniper.
Tman
3071
Wow, gearbox completely FUBARD their recent update for steam cloud support & EULA / data gathering.
My family can’t play coop, we hang 5 minutes into any game we try.
Their PC forums are filled with anger.
Tony_M
3072
On the positive side, your family plays coop games together? I am jealous.
Tman
3073
Having both 8 & 17 year old sons who enjoy gaming is a godsend. It’s even better when we can find games to play together - our favs are Borderlands and Supreme Commander 2
Phydeaux
3074
Try disabling stat tracking. That seems to universally be the fix. The irony is enormous.
Tman
3075
Oh, I’ve already tried that before I even came here. I decided to try single player and had the same results.
No borderlands until they figure out a fix.
Tman
3076
Well, I must have installed a mod at some point in the past (it was a long time ago - I actually re-installed borderlands afterwards, but the DLL was in the binary directory.
Now I can play again!
Jag
3077
I’m on the fence about playing this with my 7 year old. Haven’t played it yet, but have 2 copies for Steam but I’m thinking it may be too violent.
JM1
3078
It’s crude and violent. As much as I love the game, I can’t see it being good for a 7 year old.
The crudity is sort of weird and anomalous when it shows up (I remember it mostly from the big splashes you get from Guys Who Are Supposed to Be a Big Deal). The violence, however, is utterly and completely ridiculous. I didn’t remember it as being that bad when I recommended it for my teenage nephew, but when I subsequently went through to play it I was absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of spurting blood and whatnot. I doubt that it will fundamentally damage a seven year old child, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find anybody who would say that it’s “appropriate.”
Tman
3080
I agree it’s somewhat violent, although it’s drawn in a toonish way. My 8yr old grew up with two brothers 9-10 years older than him and even though I just started letting him play borderlands, the reason I let him play is he’s been perched on a chair for the past year watching either me or my other son play.
It has quite a bit of gibs and a LOT of swearing. I have a foul mouth when I game so again, it’s nothing he hasn’t heard before.
I would not recommend borderlands to < 10-12 yrs old. The parent should play it first & decide if it’s appropriate for their child.
