Grognard Wargamer Thread!


#5984

Nothing. Should ever. Be on a player aid card. That isn’t in the rules. Period.


#5985

QFT. Should be engraved on a plaque or chiseled in stone, somewhere, for all game designers to see.


#5986

Back door errata. Tsk. Bad form.


#5987

I’ve often dreamed of playing a game that looks a bit like this video. One where divisions/corps can kind of smoothly get pushed back and retreat or be over-run as the front line evolves in continuous time.


#5988

I vaguely regret that Road to Moscow never got beyond vapourware, but there was a post on it I saw once that suggests the beta reality was not…fun.


#5989

I had a copy of that beta. It was the ultimate example of concept >>> reality


#5990

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=891383&mpage=1&key=&#892135 Does this sound about fair?


#5991

That’s very interesting! I think the game I had in mind was a bit less ambitious and more arcade-like than the concept of Road To Moscow. Basically try to make the simulation a little higher level so that once you give a unit a stance and movement orders, there wouldn’t be as much need for a smart unit AI to implement the orders. Also not allowing intervention other than designing the plan seems rather odd from a player engagement standpoint.


#5992

Heh, I’m “bluemonday” in that exchange.

Yeah, I vaguely remember talking about that with Eddy. His review, if anything, was generous. A lot of the interface stuff was clumsy or didn’t work. And it was hard to tell what the combat model was doing.

The Command Ops system pretty much did what Road to Moscow tried to do, but Command Ops did it at a smaller scale, and at a time when the graphical representation issues were mostly solved. I think Road to Moscow started in the late 90’s when just getting the graphical engine to look good and smooth was a major technical hurdle.

I actually don’t think it would be a huge leap from Command Ops to a larger-scale Eastern Front wargame. Certainly at the level of what @MikeJ is suggesting. But I’m not a developer, so what do I know.


#5993

I’m shocked, shocked! I’ll phone Peter Hook…


#5994

I did it a little bit in Stakva/OKH kinda half ass, its pretty easy just throw some beziers between calculated key points based on units.

If I wasnt so behind on hobby projects its something I would love to do right. I agree that smooth “playing on a high level map” kind of vibe could be very cool if done well.


#5995

“Former EA exec as head of The Sims label and former CEO of Linden Labs Rod Humble announces ambitious Eastern Front wargame that will feature ‘smooth playing on a high-level map.’ It will be ‘very cool’ and ‘done well,” Humble promises.”


#5996

Hooky don’t talk to them chaps no more.


#5997

lol :)

Oh and yeah the Glanz Smolensk Atlas isnt very good either if memory serves. I will dig it up and check but I think its pretty poor as well, alas.

He does such fantastic research and yet when it comes to maps, sigh.


#5998

Rod could go incognito and use a pseudonym, like Rodrigo Humilde or Roderic Modest.


#5999

“Carlos Danger!”


#6000

It’s something I’ve wanted to do as sort of a demo thing for like a decade but if I didn’t have the time back then, I sure don’t have the time with a young child.

Also “if done well” carries a lot of weight there!

P.S. Thanks for Stavka/OKH!


#6001

Don’t know if grognard wargamer means hex and counter type only, but thought I would post this here as well.

Cold Waters is 50% off on Steam for a couple of days ($19.99).

I’ve had it on my wishlist for a long time. I remember early on it had a lot of fanfare, but then some mixed reviews.

Is it a must have for military sim types?


#6002

I think it is a very interesting sim, but some find it very unforgiving, like in this review

Mission design in the old Microprose games wasn’t precisely fair and it seems that the tradition continues to the dismay of some. These days I don’t have the time to be grinding through a huge number of deaths in a game as the days of spending 8 hours trying to beat one of these missions are gone. I don’t think that to be a problem with the game design though :)


#6003

Once you learn to dodge torpedoes the game shines.

Until then the missions last as long as your countermeasures.