Grognard Wargamer Thread!

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T15:32:38.404Z

Panzeh:

For screenshots, you can use print screen and then paste into mspaint/photoshop/whatever. I think where I have dual monitors, I can click outside the screen and also be able to use snipping tool/snagit/gyazo/etc on the game.

Yeah, I just have the huge, overdone 44" monitor. :)

Did you see an option to run the game windowed anywhere in the settings?

Panzeh:

I’m glad the 3R mod feels like a reasonably faithful take on the game.

That is basically what it is. They did well.

Panzeh · 2018-08-02T15:58:02.874Z

If you alt-tab, the game should continue in the background, so perhaps you might be able to get screenshots that way. Not sure, though.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T16:02:34.927Z

Panzeh:

If you alt-tab, the game should continue in the background, so perhaps you might be able to get screenshots that way. Not sure, though.

Alt-Tab worked. Edit coming to above post.

orald · 2018-08-02T19:52:55.511Z

I learn something new in this forum nearly every day. Thanks @Navaronegun.
The A3R mod is going to be a sweet nostalgia ride.

Summer in Maine means little time to game, but I may take you up on your offer later in the year.

Cheers.

Brooski · 2018-08-02T21:38:49.439Z

Navaronegun:

Bill Gray’s article reads as if he never actually played those buggy (and creaky) PC offerings he cites (Tiller, et al). And he doesn’t discuss the functionality inside the Vassal modules he refers to (well he doesn’t refer to modules, he mentions it offhand belying no familiarity with it).

It’s a nice attempt at a think piece, but it reads a little thin on the topics he deals with. To wit: he should play more computer games than Tiller or Matrix to get a feel for what that industry can accomplish and actually play some boardgames on Vassal.

He should also play some boardgames. This line in particular is ridiculous:

They look the same, they play the same except that the digital version is likely easier because of all the behind the hard drive number crunching.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T21:43:49.295Z

Brooski:

He should also play some boardgames. This line in particular is ridiculous:

Yeah, I have no idea what he was talking about. It was like the WaPo article that claimed that Twilight Struggle “saved the Industry”. Wut! Gimme a break…

P500 and the interwebs saved the industry. End.

Brooski · 2018-08-02T21:44:43.031Z

He also conflates pre-order numbers with sales numbers.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T21:48:40.758Z

Brooski:

He also conflates pre-order numbers with sales numbers.

I am getting dumber now for having read it…I couldn’t find a link on that guy in the article. I 'm semi-certain he is HMGS Bill Gray…who really does know naught of such things.

As a former student and collaborator the DIA JMIC stuff on wargaming is laughable and quite amusing.

Brooski · 2018-08-02T22:34:03.435Z

It is interesting that SPI’s best-selling title was Starforce at 50k copies. That means Twilight Struggle has already outsold it. Kind of undermines the whole point of the article.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T22:36:28.126Z

Brooski:

It is interesting that SPI’s best-selling title was Starforce at 50k copies. That means Twilight Struggle has already outsold it. Kind of undermines the whole point of the article.

Bill just needs to focus on getting Historicon back to PA. Lancaster…so much to answer for (apologies to The Smiths).

So anyhoo…go play Strategic Commander WWII: War In Europe Advanced Third Reich mod. We cans pbemseses.

MiquelRamirez · 2018-08-02T22:43:21.920Z

Navaronegun:

As a former student and collaborator the DIA JMIC stuff on wargaming is laughable and quite amusing.

Anything published? Wouldn’t mind giving it a read.

Brooski · 2018-08-02T22:50:29.973Z

Navaronegun:

So anyhoo…go play Strategic Commander WWII: War In Europe Advanced Third Reich mod. We cans pbemseses.

Is there any point, though? It just skins the game with some pseudo-3R values, right? There are no comparable mechanics?

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T22:55:09.406Z

Brooski:

Is there any point, though? It just skins the game with some pseudo-3R values, right

No, the limits on construction, the changes to unit vales, and ranges and APs really make for an A3R experience. I mean, lord knows, I always talk up games and hype them. Especially when they aspire to the golden oldies. :)

You know me, Mr. Grognard Sunshine! [whistles down the lane].

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T22:57:33.244Z

MiquelRamirez:

Anything published? Wouldn’t mind giving it a read.

No, and that’s another thing I really didn’t like about the article. Citing an Intel org or Agency as having “proof” and then not being able to let it stand up to scrutiny in the light of day is kind of fruitless and moot as a citation, you know? Lending weight to assertions through name-checking, but not being able to show you. It was just a really bizarro-land article. Wargamer has not impressed me for a while now. Most of the reviews I have seen have been love letters lately. Every game = Flawless Gem.

I sure read your share, though. :)

But see above post, I am now Mr. Grognard Sunshine.

MiquelRamirez · 2018-08-02T23:14:00.690Z

Navaronegun:

No, and that’s another thing I really didn’t like about the article. Citing an Intel org or Agency as having “proof” and then not being able to let it stand up to scrutiny in the light of day is kind of fruitless and moot as a citation, you know? Lending weight to assertions through name-checking, but not being able to show you. It was just a really bizarro-land article. Wargamer has not impressed me for a while now. Most of the reviews I have seen have been love letters lately. Every game = Flawless Gem .

Totally agreeing 👍 with that, mate. The article looked to me sketchy and this thread was too quiet so…

MiquelRamirez · 2018-08-02T23:32:29.673Z

Navaronegun:

But see above post, I am now Mr. Grognard Sunshine.

That’s a nice avatar, reminds me of the bad guy in Morrowind.

I will be posting soon with some more thoughts on SC:WW2… as I thought I would hate it and actually I had an “aha!” moment.

One question meanwhile: the mods you mention seem to be requiring to create a new campaign with the editor and overwrite its data. That totally stopped me in my tracks, as I have very bad experiences from WitE online play where some disreputable gentlemen liked to edit campaigns and do stuff like deploying the Afrika Korps in Romania in June 1941. Is there a specific download which is kind of “official”? I am using Steam but the game doesn’t seem to be integrated with the workshop.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-02T23:37:01.313Z

It’s just in the DLC pack:

Strategic Command WWII: Community Pack

Released: Oct 18, 2017

The most interesting and awesome mods for Strategic Command, created by the users that love this game.

It’s a free DLC download

MiquelRamirez · 2018-08-03T00:00:27.818Z

Navaronegun:

It’s a free DLC download

Thanks, I totally missed that!

BTW, talking about John Prados… I was surprised that he’s moved onto writing milhist books, so I checked out his book on the struggle for the Solomons. I have found it to be rather bad, honestly.

Navaronegun · 2018-08-03T00:05:19.786Z

MiquelRamirez:

Thanks, I totally missed that!

My only gripe (only!) is that the DLC added adds 3 extra seconds to the startup time.

OMG----REFUND!

MiquelRamirez · 2018-08-03T00:17:46.527Z

Navaronegun:

My only gripe (only!) is that the DLC added adds 3 extra seconds to the startup time.

OMG----REFUND!

Hubert’s games are extremely well engineered. He makes them in Eiffel, when I figured that out I almost fell out of my chair. Better than WiF’s (and AGEOD’s) choice of Delphi…